Star Trek 3

[Ensign Phaserbait]

trevanian said:

May be, but try watching it with the sound OFF. You'll doze off, the scene is shot and edited in a totally pedestrian manner. Compare that with the 'sneak attack' sequence in TWOK -- which is also scored by Horner -- and you'll see how it should have been done, with some imagination and a few insert shots and some moving camera. The TWOK scene works fine even without the sound, but Nimoy's 'battle scene' is just dull dull dull, requiring the overhyped Horner music just to function.

BINGO!

The photon torpedoes that, one movie ago, were blowing holes in ships unlucky enough to stand in their path, now simply caused interesting light effects and threw crewmembers all over the place - as well as killing the unlucky Targ.

Note that this torpedo electrical effect was never repeated for any subsequent Trek project...ever.

Nimoy's direction in quiet scenes, like Kirk and McCoy in Spock's quarters, is good, but man, there are so many scenes that are mangled in his pictures. David's death is one of the crummiest bits ever, as written, but Nimoy managed to make it even worse (I think SFS is horribly written in just about every way, so it ain't all Nimoy's fault, but he was the director of record.)

Hey, if people can slam Shatner for his direction of Trek V - when you consider the bad writing, C-Movie SFX quality, and Studio Edicts he had to deal with - then any criticism of Nimoy is just as fair.


Ensign Phaserbait

 

[sbk1234]

A beaker full of death said:

sbk1234 said:
Spock or not, Nimoy was still a first time movie director...

What, TJ Hooker doesn't count?

Directing a TV series and a major motion picture stuffed to the gills with special effects are two very different things.

 

[Therin of Andor]

General_Phoenix said:
I like how in Star Trek II Kirk is telling Savvik that Klingon's don't take prisoners, and then in III we see them do just that.

Which is why Kirk reminds us in ST VI that Klingons can't be trusted.

 

[RookieBatman]

fascinoma said:
3 is one of my favorite ST movies.

I always watch 2, 3 and 4 back-to-back.

What *I* want to see (and always imagine) is something (a book, ANYTHING) between 5 and 6... it's hard for me to believe that Kirk got the Enterprise and only got to take it out once before his retirement!

There's a whole slew of comicbooks set in that period. Actually, pretty much the entire second series of DC Comics is, except for the issues where they go back to the first five year mission. They've got a bit of it in trade paperback, too. The first fifteen issues were written by Peter David.
If you were really interested, and willing to spend a little money, you could probably buy the entire 80 issue run on Amazon, probably for cheaper than you're expecting. But then, I don't even know how good they are; I've only read a couple issues.

 

[ancient]

I like ST:III. I think it's a fun movie, even if it does use the biggest techno-fix ever.

The security guy who arrests McCoy did have the same hair, 'stash, brown tone and a similar attitude to Morrow. I always thought that guy was supposed to be Morrow's kid brother or something.

 

[Sharr Khan]

General_Phoenix said:
I like how in Star Trek II Kirk is telling Savvik that Klingon's don't take prisoners, and then in III we see them do just that.

I wouldn't think of them of "Prisoners", as one would normally be - more like hostages who one way or the other once Kruge got what he wanted would have been dealt with - that is killed.

Sharr

 

[Therin of Andor]

Sharr Khan said:
I wouldn't think of them of "Prisoners", as one would normally be - more like hostages who one way or the other once Kruge got what he wanted would have been dealt with - that is killed.

Except, IIRC, Kruge says, "Or I will kill one of the prisoners".

Translation problem?

 

[ialfan]

Therin of Andor said:

MalNar said:
question: is the security officer that arrests McCoy

No. Conroy Gedeon, IIRC. I saw him in something on TV quite recently, looking much older.

Well I learned something new today! All these years I thought they were the same guy.

 

[SmoothieX]

I like ST:III. I think it's a fun movie, even if it does use the biggest techno-fix ever.


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What techno-fix are you referring to? I can think of a couple.

Sharr Khan said:

General_Phoenix said:
I like how in Star Trek II Kirk is telling Savvik that Klingon's don't take prisoners, and then in III we see them do just that.

I wouldn't think of them of "Prisoners", as one would normally be - more like hostages who one way or the other once Kruge got what he wanted would have been dealt with - that is killed.

I would imagine in the normal course of things, the Klingons would fight to destroy your vessel or kill every last man on the ground.

This was different though. They weren't your garden variety prisoners. Kruge wanted to know what was up with the Genesis project and these folks had knowledge.

 

[Therin of Andor]

SmoothieX said:
They weren't your garden variety prisoners. Kruge wanted to know what was up with the Genesis project and these folks had knowledge.

Kruge wasn't your garden variety Klingon.

(In fact, in both ST II and ST III, some references to Klingons and the Klingon Neutral Zone were originally Romulans.)

 

[Peach Wookiee]

^Kruge was an interesting villain.

 

[Kryton]

I love ST:III because it seemed (to me) to be the most "Star Trekian" of the films because Kirk did anything...EVERYTHING, potentially sacrificing his career and even destroying his ship to save his friend.

Amanda summed it up nicely in the early minutes of ST:IV, but Kirk RISKED IT ALL for his friend. That just meant so very much to me at the time. ST:II was "okay", "good" even, but III was more of the "real deal" for me at the time.

Kirk: My God, Bones...what have I done?!?

McCoy: What you had to do...what you ALWAYS do...turned death into a fighting chance to live.

The power of that exchange moves me deeply to just remember it.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

That was and is avery powerful scene.

 

[SmoothieX]

It was always a sad scene for me, but I can only imagine if you had been a fan of TOS and saw the first couple movies in theater. Gotta be much more powerful that way.

 

[A beaker full of death]

Therin of Andor said:
(In fact, in both ST II and ST III, some references to Klingons and the Klingon Neutral Zone were originally Romulans.)

That bugged me for years. "Bird of Prey? Neutral zone? wtf???"

 

[Kryton]

Come to think of it, I hope the TOS-R project deletes the "Klingon D-7 configuration" line (or whatever the exact line is) and gives the Rommies a REAL original configuration BoP for "The Enterprise Incident"....

'Cause THAT always bugged ME!

 

[Garth Rockett]

fascinoma said:
What *I* want to see (and always imagine) is something (a book, ANYTHING) between 5 and 6... it's hard for me to believe that Kirk got the Enterprise and only got to take it out once before his retirement!

DC produced quite a few comics set between 5 and 6 during the late 80's / early 90's.

 

[Hambone]

A beaker full of death said:

Therin of Andor said:
(In fact, in both ST II and ST III, some references to Klingons and the Klingon Neutral Zone were originally Romulans.)

That bugged me for years. "Bird of Prey? Neutral zone? wtf???"

Not only that...Saavik says they are patrolling in the Gamma Hydra vicinity. We know from "The Deadly Years" that that's near the Romulan Neutral Zone.

 

[ancient]

I don't have a problem with Krunge's actions being 'unklingon'. I don't really like to think that all the members of an alien race must all act exactly the same and stick to the same 'rules' despite the situation. Besides, Kruge was totally insane.

SmoothieX said:

I like ST:III. I think it's a fun movie, even if it does use the biggest techno-fix ever.

What techno-fix are you referring to? I can think of a couple.

Spock's rebirth, of course!

 

[Outpost4]

Ever?

Shore Leave revived a dead McCoy before the end of the episode, in this case I think by using sex.

In fact, this gives me a General Trek thread idea.