Star Trek 2017 will not be set in the JJ-Verse

[fireproof78]

False eqivalent. There have been approximately 50 hours of Bond, 700+ hours of Trek. But even granting your premise, there was a major character death as recently as 2 movies ago in Skyfall. Then there is the death of Felix Leiter, Vesper Lynd, Bond's wife, etc. They obviously can't kill the lead, but Bond has not been above using a character death to heighten dramatic tension.

NCIS (who killed a lead in Season 2, btw) viewership's median age is 61 and Criminal Minds is 56, people who are accustomed to a different type of storytelling. These are not the viewers I think CBS All Access is gunning for. Titanic? We DIDN'T know how it turned out for Jack and Rose, one of whom dies while the other lives.

If this type of storytelling isn't your bag, no harm no foul. It is the type of storytelling that I would bet the brass at All Access are going for. Younger viewers who are watching Justified, Breaking Bad, Man Men, The Walking Dead, GoT, at least in my opinion

It's a delicate balancing act, in my opinion. GoT and Breaking Bad are interesting and all, but they work as much on shock value as well as anything else. Is this the path that Star Trek should take?

As I said, death is unavoidable, but in fiction, it isn't always necessary. If it is done well, serves the story, and provides character development then I can get behind it. "Random death" (trademark pending) is not interesting to me.

As a side note, NCIS killed two main characters (Kate in Season 2, another Season 5). But, the rest, GIbbs, Dinozzo, Ziva, and McGee, all survive. The larger point being that NCIS uses death in different ways for main characters, and is still quite entertaining.

 

[cultcross]

It's a delicate balancing act, in my opinion. GoT and Breaking Bad are interesting and all, but they work as much on shock value as well as anything else. Is this the path that Star Trek should take?

GoT now plays on the character death thing and has perhaps gone too far towards farce, but Breaking Bad is perhaps a better example. It isn't so much that anyone can die, as much as anything can happen. There's nothing that's off limits including things you're not even thinking of. That turns entertaining episodes, like NCIS has, to a series people binge watch or stay off Facebook for days to avoid spoilers because it's the TV equivalent of a book you can't put down. Personally, I'd rather have a Star Trek series that did that than another series of standalone episodes that are entertaining or not on their own merit but the show's always the same when the credits roll. I personally feel that not only would the show be more enjoyable as a result, it would find it easier to build and crucially sustain an audience. Star Trek shows in the modern age tend to have drastic ratings fall offs after their premiere and I feel this would help prevent this for series VI. As you said yourself, you may want the exact opposite - opinions on what makes a 'good' series will always vary. And that's OK, that's partly why we discuss it!

 

[fireproof78]

GoT now plays on the character death thing and has perhaps gone too far towards farce, but Breaking Bad is perhaps a better example. It isn't so much that anyone can die, as much as anything can happen. There's nothing that's off limits including things you're not even thinking of. That turns entertaining episodes, like NCIS has, to a series people binge watch or stay off Facebook for days to avoid spoilers because it's the TV equivalent of a book you can't put down. Personally, I'd rather have a Star Trek series that did that than another series of standalone episodes that are entertaining or not on their own merit but the show's always the same when the credits roll. I personally feel that not only would the show be more enjoyable as a result, it would find it easier to build and crucially sustain an audience. Star Trek shows in the modern age tend to have drastic ratings fall offs after their premiere and I feel this would help prevent this for series VI. As you said yourself, you may want the exact opposite - opinions on what makes a 'good' series will always vary. And that's OK, that's partly why we discuss it!

For me, it depends greatly on the characters. I don't necessarily want a episodic format, as we have had before. In fact, one of Abrams' films strengths, in my opinion, is that it one builds upon the other. Obviously, the success of that will vary from person to person, but I like stories that build on each other.

In my opinion, NCIS does this very well, but still manages to be episodic. I don't think Star Trek needs to be that, though. I think that the new series could do well as a serialized epic, with the characters having to grow and adjust out on the final frontier.

What I don't think is necessary is the specter of death looming behind every star. Yes, space is dangerous, but these are also supposed to be professionals, and capable of handling such dangers. I don't know. I think there is a place for danger and death, and an "anything can happen" attitude, but I think it could also be used as a license to kill off whomever.

I think if Star Trek 2017 was more serialized and focused on the unexplored, including the dangers, then there could be a wealth of material to explore.

 

[Nyotarules]

No JJverse. No prime. I want something different. I'm sick of everyone trying to remake Star Trek. It is what it is and its damn good when it's real. I want real.

Define 'real Star Trek' handsome mainly human males exploring space with pretty female crew wearing short dresses?

 

[Nyotarules]

Changes happen sometimes. I can accept that.

But do they have to kill off the characters?

Starfleet is not 'The Office' people have a greater chance of dying when they join the armed forces.

 

[Lynx]

Starfleet is not 'The Office' people have a greater chance of dying when they join the armed forces.

Perhaps!

But it's still stupid to kill off main characters the way it was done in the recent Trek series.

What if the actor changes his/her mind and want to come back?

What if fans turn their back on the show because a popular character is killed off?

 

[EnderAKH]

What if the actor changes his/her mind and want to come back?

Tough? You get Sela? Shoulda thought of that before you quit?

What if fans turn their back on the show because a popular character is killed off?

Then the writers aren't doing their job in creating a character to fill the void.

 

[Lynx]

Tough? You get Sela? Shoulda thought of that before you quit?

Some characters are impossible to replace.

Personally I continue to follow my rules for TV series watching:

Rule 1. Don't ever let any character in any series become a favorite. There's always the risk that the character will be messed up and destroyed.

Rule 2. Don't get too involved in a series. There's always a risk for setbacks.

Rule 3. If something starts to annoy you or really p*** you off, then quit. There are better things to do than let some jerks ruin your day.

As a matter of fact, my current favorite series is NCIS and I've been watching the series for all seasons since the start.

Now Michael Weatherly who plays Tony DiNozzo is going to quit.

Now, that's up to him.

But if they kill off the character DiNozzo, then I quit!

 

[CorporalClegg]

And see, I'd rather him go down in a blaze of glory whilst saving McGee and Delilah.

 

[EnderAKH]

And see, I'd rather him go down in a blaze of glory whilst saving McGee and Delilah.

Yep. Wash? Angel's Fred? Will Gardner? I wouldn't trade those deaths for anything. Every one affected me and made me cry. If a show can make me cry for a fictional character getting killed, that's a good show.

 

[Lynx]

Yep. Wash? Angel's Fred? Will Gardner? I wouldn't trade those deaths for anything. Every one affected me and made me cry. If a show can make me cry for a fictional character getting killed, that's a good show.

Not for me!
I have enough of crying on funerals, when relatives, friends and rock stars die or when I see the state of the world today.

When I watch a TV series and some character I happen to like is killed off or ruined, I get p***ed off, throw a tantrum and, in most cases, stop watching the series there and then.

 

[Imperator Rom]

JJ Verse is total shYt

 

[fireproof78]

Not for me!
I have enough of crying on funerals, when relatives, friends and rock stars die or when I see the state of the world today.

When I watch a TV series and some character I happen to like is killed off or ruined, I get p***ed off, throw a tantrum and, in most cases, stop watching the series there and then.

That is a very interesting perspective. I agree that there is plenty of death in the world that a fictional world can provide a measure of escape. However, are there any instances where a character dies and you still watch the show?

 

[Lynx]

That is a very interesting perspective. I agree that there is plenty of death in the world that a fictional world can provide a measure of escape. However, are there any instances where a character dies and you still watch the show?

Honestly, it have happened more than a few times when it comes to series like NCIS, CSI, CSI NY, CSI Miami and even in Star Trek. I didn't quit watching when Yar and Dax were killed off, although I didn't like it.

As I stated before, I have broken my own rules a couple of times.

It all depends on how much I like the series, the reasons and circumstances in why they decided to kill off the character and so.

Unfortunately the trend to kill off main characters has increased in recent years which I find disturbing. I think it should be the last possible option, otherwise it may lead to another "Bobby Ewing syndrome" when the company realize the mistake, the actor want to return and they have to come up with something unrealistic and extraordinary to bring back the character.

As for the Sela plot in TNG, I did find it utterly ridiculous.

However, the "Kes example" really p***ed me off. First because it was a favorite and second because it was so cheap and unnecessary. Not to mention bringing back the character just to destroy her, thus giving "the finger" to the fans of the character.

When they killed off Kate in NCIS, we did at least get a clear description why from both those in charge and the actress.

 

[Shaka Zulu]

Well, following up 30-year-old storylines is EXACTLY what "Into Darkness" did. So there really is no benefit for the new continuity in this regard.

That movie was a retelling of an older story, not a resumption of an older one, and it was a combination of Space Seed and The Wrath Of Khan. Why don't people get that?

 

[Nerys Myk]

That movie was a retelling of an older story, not a resumption of an older one, and it was a combination of Space Seed and The Wrath Of Khan. Why don't people get that?

The line at the snack bar was long and they missed most of the movie?
Small bladders?
Didn't actually see the film and based all their comments on second hand info?

 

[Dukhat]

JJ Verse is total shYt

I don't know what's more humorous: the utter pointlessness of this post, or that mos6507 liked it.

 

[mos6507]

I don't know what's more humorous: the utter pointlessness of this post, or that mos6507 liked it.

Has it really really come to this? People are now going to get singled out and crucified for merely liking an anti-JJ slag? JJ fans are THAT thin-skinned and on THAT much of a hair-trigger?

 

[eyeresist]

It was a stupid post and you liked it.

 

[Myko]

Is that the new Katy Perry song?