Star Trek 2017 will not be set in the JJ-Verse

[Rahul]

'Crossing streams'? What the hell are you on about?

I read the article when it came out. It was one article from an unconfirmed source. Considering we get those all the time (speculation that Beyond wasn't going to happen, that Abrams wasn't going to do STID because of fallouts with Paramount, the Nuseries was going to end after movie 3 etc,) excuse me if I'm not exactly convinced.

What the hell are you even talking about? I have NEVER read anywhere Beyond was not going to happen? And all your other stuff seems questionable at best.

I would like to hear YOUR arguments and opinions. If you don't have any and just want to trashtalk others', go home.

EDIT: Crossing streams from Trek to Wars. Which somehow you constructed as a personal attack to JJ as well, even though I'm still not sure how you did that...

 

[Kemaiku]

Or you can stop being so defensive as to call people haters and defensers instead of just "fans".

 

[Rahul]

Well, no. I articulated an opinion. Based on an article. The answer to that was: "You pulled that out of your arse" (actual quote of Dukhat!). And a page-long rant of "how do you dare to attack JJ-Trek even though you clearly only stated that the new series will have more in common with traditional Trek?? You are so defensive!!!!111oneoneeleven".

Those people aren't "fans". Not even "defenders". Those people are just numbnuts.

 

[eyeresist]

We have heard nothing useful from your side concerning the topic. No arguments. Not even a logical assumption. Every post basically reads: "na na na no YOU are wrong for wanting new stuff and not kneeling on the altar of Abrams-Trek"

No-one has ever said that or anything like it. The idea of poor persecuted Prime fans is a myth.

They want the people watching Breaking Bad, or The Walking Dead.

Yes, as far as a successful production is concerned, appealing to Star Trek fans (who IRL have multitudinous tastes) is less important than being the kind of show that gets frequently referenced in the mainstream media. If they wanted the former, they'd just be making fan films (which even most fans don't actually watch).

Seems logical to me. Why deal with Paramount's alternate universe when they own the rights to decades' worth of Prime universe material (almost none of which they could ever reference if it were set in the JJ universe, because none of it has happened there yet)?

There's no reason they can't use it all (apart from stuff set on Vulcan). The writers will pick and choose what they like, but overall I think they'll want to do something that feels fresh, i.e. not following up 30-year-old storylines.

"It's good to finally be back in the original universe."

*Earth explodes for no reason*

"...god DAMNIT."

I think you mean "Well, that's just typical."

 

[Rahul]

Well, following up 30-year-old storylines is EXACTLY what "Into Darkness" did. So there really is no benefit for the new continuity in this regard.

 

[Trekkin]

A summation of some of the bigger rumors that went around before the latest movie started filming. No doubt a lot of them originated with our friend Formerly-known-as-Para.

http://trekmovie.com/2014/12/12/orci-responds-to-star-trek-3-rumors-and-speculation/

There's more links and stuff on the Beyond thread. It's what it's for.

Pointing out that Abrams gave his reason for doing Star Wars (that he's a fanboy and career-wise he'd have been mad to refuse), and that he's still working with Paramount and Trek, isn't exactly 'defending' Star Wars. But it does show that 'Abrams left because he couldn't control the merch' is a fan's guess, at best.

I gave my opinion on the Nuverse vs Primeverse (vs a New-New Verse) way back. Personally I don't particularly care where it's set, but there's not much historical evidence for franchises hitting 'ctrl-z' on a successful and ongoing soft-reboot. Especially with Fuller being keen on the Nuverse blank slate status, and one if the creators of said 'verse running the asylum.

 

[eyeresist]

Fuller said:

I would love to return to the spirit of the old series with the colors and attitude. I loved Voyager and Deep Space Nine, but they seem to have lost the '60s fun and I would love to take it back to its origin.
http://moviepilot.com/posts/3785127​

So whichever universe, the TNG fans won't be happy.

 

[Dukhat]

The answer to that was: "You pulled that out of your arse" (actual quote of Dukhat!)

Ahem, that was not my quote.

 

[Trekkin]

It's mine.

And I concede he may not have literally pulled it from his arse.

 

[Wulff359]

"It's good to finally be back in the original universe."

*Earth explodes for no reason*

"...god DAMNIT."

Picard looks up to the dome. "Q! What is going on here. And why do I have boobs now?"
With a grin, Riker musteres Picard, who turned into a very attractive young woman. "You must agree, he has taste..."

 

[SPCTRE]

Fuller said:

I would love to return to the spirit of the old series with the colors and attitude. I loved Voyager and Deep Space Nine, but they seem to have lost the '60s fun and I would love to take it back to its origin.
http://moviepilot.com/posts/3785127​

So whichever universe, the TNG fans won't be happy.

depends on whether or not they're also fans of TNG S1

 

[Rahul]

Ahem, that was not my quote.

Wow! Sorry, that's right. That was Hela. Not you. I apologize.

 

[captainkirk]

From Fuller himself:

http://trekmovie.com/2013/10/02/bryan-fuller-on-pitching-a-star-trek-tv-show/

"I think there’s something very exciting about the new J.J. Abrams-verse, and there’s also kind of an interesting reinvention. How would “The Next Generation” evolve from that? Where would that be? Where would that go? But there’s also… “Star Trek” is such a big universe, and there are so many places to go with it. I have a very specific idea that I would love to do. We’ll see if I ever get the opportunity."

http://trekmovie.com/2012/02/03/bry...lking-about-teaming-up-for-star-trek-tv-show/

"A couple of years back TrekMovie spoke to Bryan Fuller about his idea for a show, which he envisioned would be set in the new movie universe, but not on board the USS Enterprise."

So Fuller wants the new universe, Kurtzman will obviously want the new universe, CBS can see the success of the new movies and the failure of Enterprise and they will almost certainly want the new universe. It's time for everyone to face the fact that the Prime-universe is dead.

 

[Myko]

What fuller said over 3 years ago is hardly indicative of whats going to happen with the new series, one way or the other.

 

[captainkirk]

There's no evidence that his opinion has changed. I have yet to see anyone point to solid evidence that the series won't be set in the new universe. The best anyone can find is that quote from the press release about the series not being related to Beyond, which can obviously mean many things.

At the moment there's very little to go on, but to me all those small clues say JJ-verse.

 

[Longinus]

Abramsverse is indeed more likely. If CBS and Paramount were still one company, I'd say it is pretty much 100% certain. However, given the current situation there would be certain sense for the CBS to stick to the Prime and let Paramount mess with Abramsverse. But were I a betting man, I'd still bet on Abramsverse show.

 

[Rahul]

This part seems interesting:

"A couple of years back TrekMovie spoke to Bryan Fuller about his idea for a show, which he envisioned would be set in the new movie universe, but not on board the USS Enterprise."

Since that would have been the very first (and only) time were it was confirmed that Fullers' idea would be set in the JJverse. But if you click on the link, it leads back to an older article with the much more familiar piece where he said the JJverse is "interesting", considering "how TNG would have evolved in this universe".

My guess is: Fuller has (and had since then) an idea for a show in a post-TNG setting (there is an older interview with him already porposing an actress as the new Captain). That idea would of course be adaptable for the equivalent of the TNG-era in the JJverse. That's why he was tip-toeig around to question, to leave both possibilies open for whatever the powers-that-be will decide. That means, he's pitching the basic concept of his new show. The producers at CBS can then decide wether it takes place in the new continuity (recent success), or the old one (50 years of success). In the case the producers are undicisive (evenly likely), the ball goes back to Singer. He has to check his chioce with Kurtzman, but since Kurtzman was never a die-hard fan anyway, I guess he's more interested in the actual producing part, leaving his mark on the actual show in whatever fictional continuity it will take place (and from interviews back then, it seems the one with the original idea for the timeline split was probably Orci.)

That would leave SInger (the one who actually envisions the new show) with the decision where to set the new series. In the new continuity (either in the "present" or the far future of it, leading to an MCU-style large universe, where the show needs to subordinate to the creative decisions of the movie people), or to the old universe, on which he already worked on, and in which he probably envisioned his idea for "his" show before the reboot even happened.

Or, and that's what I think is most likely, set a bit after the TNG era, in an "arms-lenght-reboot", that could pass as a continuiation of both universes on first sight.

 

[drt]

This part seems interesting:

"A couple of years back TrekMovie spoke to Bryan Fuller about his idea for a show, which he envisioned would be set in the new movie universe, but not on board the USS Enterprise."

Since that would have been the very first (and only) time were it was confirmed that Fullers' idea would be set in the JJverse. But if you click on the link, it leads back to an older article with the much more familiar piece where he said the JJverse is "interesting", considering "how TNG would have evolved in this universe".

My guess is: Fuller has (and had since then) an idea for a show in a post-TNG setting (there is an older interview with him already porposing an actress as the new Captain). That idea would of course be adaptable for the equivalent of the TNG-era in the JJverse. That's why he was tip-toeig around to question, to leave both possibilies open for whatever the powers-that-be will decide. That means, he's pitching the basic concept of his new show. The producers at CBS can then decide wether it takes place in the new continuity (recent success), or the old one (50 years of success). In the case the producers are undicisive (evenly likely), the ball goes back to Singer. He has to check his chioce with Kurtzman, but since Kurtzman was never a die-hard fan anyway, I guess he's more interested in the actual producing part, leaving his mark on the actual show in whatever fictional continuity it will take place (and from interviews back then, it seems the one with the original idea for the timeline split was probably Orci.)

That would leave SInger (the one who actually envisions the new show) with the decision where to set the new series. In the new continuity (either in the "present" or the far future of it, leading to an MCU-style large universe, where the show needs to subordinate to the creative decisions of the movie people), or to the old universe, on which he already worked on, and in which he probably envisioned his idea for "his" show before the reboot even happened.

Or, and that's what I think is most likely, set a bit after the TNG era, in an "arms-lenght-reboot", that could pass as a continuiation of both universes on first sight.

I believe the interview where he proposes actresses was to be set on the Reliant during TOS, which like you propose, could be set in either universe (although, it certainly wouldn't look like 60s TOS).

I also think you could interpret "how TNG would have evolved in this universe" as nuTNG, i.e. how would Picard and company have potentially come together in the nuVerse. Considering that realistically the only time they were successful with the "new crew, new ship" model was TNG, I suppose it might make sense to try and reboot TNG for TV if they wanted to leave the Kirk-era to the movies. I think a TNG reboot would be if more interest to general audiences who fondly remember TNG, than yet another set of new characters that no one knows following up on events that no one remembers.

 

[Jerikka Dawn]

I've mentioned before that I wouldn't mind at all a newer take on TNG (even darker and edgier) -- maybe see some of those stories play out in more detail in longer arcs and have much better character development (including Yar). That's just wishful thinking though. I like TNG, the characters, and the stories -- all the episodes had so much potential, though, and I think most of them were just too fast.

Granted, that's me looking back almost three decades ago and I've seen a lot of TV since then and I'm looking back at TNG with 21st Century TV eyes.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Yes, but if they could attract a new larger fan base PLUS keep the old one wouldn't that make their viewership even larger. There is no reason for CBS to discard the old fan base unless they had to choose. I don't think they do. I think they are going to make the decision that makes them the most money and pleases the most people.

Yes, they'll look to please people. They won't be focusing on folks who obsess over Trek universes. They are a minuscule loss at best and will likely watch just so they can whinge about it.