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Star Trek 2017 will not be set in the JJ-Verse
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What about Chekov not being aboard Enterprise when they first encountered Khan, then Khan remembered Chekov in TWOK?
Eugenics wars?
Obviously a different universe.
No.Exactly why TOS, TMP and TWOK take place in different universes.
Cunningly argued.
Doesn't need an argument to counter something that hasn't been argued for. What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Is there a specific date mentioned on TOS as to when Chekov arrived?
No?
We're good to go then.
Chekov -- who wasn't a bridge officer at that point -- encounters Khan lurkin' around the ship off-screen. Back in the day, great grampa Chekov got a good hiding from Khan's people when Khan invaded Russia.
Words are exchanged between Khan and Chekov. Chekov gives Khan the "one fingered salute". Khan is momentarily affronted but breaks out into a sultry Montalban-esque grin and generously commends Chekov for his high spirited, irreverent attitude. Khan is holding back because he's got "bigger fish to fry" later in the episode.
And there you go. As you can see I do feel I've got an inner Trek novelist within me just waiting to break out.
No?
We're good to go then.
Chekov -- who wasn't a bridge officer at that point -- encounters Khan lurkin' around the ship off-screen. Back in the day, great grampa Chekov got a good hiding from Khan's people when Khan invaded Russia.
Words are exchanged between Khan and Chekov. Chekov gives Khan the "one fingered salute". Khan is momentarily affronted but breaks out into a sultry Montalban-esque grin and generously commends Chekov for his high spirited, irreverent attitude. Khan is holding back because he's got "bigger fish to fry" later in the episode.
And there you go. As you can see I do feel I've got an inner Trek novelist within me just waiting to break out.
Now now, credit where it's due (with better grammar):
“That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.” - Christopher Hitchens
aka Hitchens' Razor.
However, some say Hitchens' Razor is self-nullifying as no evidence is given that it is true (dismissible within the rules of his own assertion).
I think the new series should show a toilet. Would people be in an uproar because we've never seen one before on Star Trek?
Bladder and colonic transporters make the whole process automatic.
Similarly, virgin births are all the rage.
We've seen one. But it was from a movie that was so riddled with errors that it might never have happened anyway.
See, I'm afraid of it splitting into one evil poop, and one good poop though.
Well, if I have to spell out what should be blindingly obvious:
These are the massive differences you point out between JJ and Prime universes.
But the differences between TMP and TWOK are just as glaring: suddenly the ship looks smaller and more colourful, the uniforms are heavy and red, people are whistled aboard in a nautical fashion, Kirk has a funny perm and an ex we never heard of before, the engine room looks totally different. There are probably a bunch of other differences I'm not thinking of as well. The evidence that TWOK takes place in a different universe from TMP is as strong as the evidence that JJTrek is in a different universe from the myriad iterations of Prime Trek.
Of course producers didn't deliberately set TWOK in a different universe from TMP. Just as JJ didn't set NuTrek in a different universe from Prime. But the same dumb argument can be made in both cases that minor differences MUST mean this is the case.
Only when the observation is made can it be decided whether Hitchens' Razor is nullified or not. Until then, it is in an unknown nullified-and-not state.
No, it's an axiom, not a claim.
First of all, there are 11 years between the two movies, allowing for changes in uniform and fashion and hair. The ex, come on. Kirk had thousands of them. And the engine room looks exactly the same except for the addition of the little room where Spock dies.
Once again, there are clear differences (Vulcan being the main one, but the very different sizes of ships could be taken as one as well) that indicate that it's a reboot. None of those exist anywhere in the previous shows and movies.
In the novelization of TMP, Roddenberry flat out states that what we saw on TOS was a dramatic retelling of what actually happened.
TWOK is more the direct sequel to the TV show, with a subtle mandate to simply pretend that TMP didn't happen. Kirk is having a similar existential middle-aged crisis at the beginning of both, so either the events of TMP didn't occur to TWOK-Kirk or he's an idiot that never learns a lesson.
I think it's also arguable that we are supposed to believe that the uniforms, ship, more nautical trappings, etc. haven't changed from TOS either, instead of being eleven years out as from (to quote Decker) "a totally new Enterprise", she's now an old training ship, Khan wears a broken belt buckle from a supposedly "modern" officer's uniform around his neck.
TWOK is more the direct sequel to the TV show, with a subtle mandate to simply pretend that TMP didn't happen. Kirk is having a similar existential middle-aged crisis at the beginning of both, so either the events of TMP didn't occur to TWOK-Kirk or he's an idiot that never learns a lesson.
I think it's also arguable that we are supposed to believe that the uniforms, ship, more nautical trappings, etc. haven't changed from TOS either, instead of being eleven years out as from (to quote Decker) "a totally new Enterprise", she's now an old training ship, Khan wears a broken belt buckle from a supposedly "modern" officer's uniform around his neck.
A destroyed Vulcan signifies that it's an alternate universe, anyways. We've seen planets or ships destroyed in alternate timelines throughout the course of all the Star Trek shows, but that didn't make them reboots.
Bigger ships are basically just reinventing the look, which has happened several times as well.
If the producers wanted it to be, they could very easily insist that the new Star Trek movies are not a reboot, but simply an alternate universe. It wouldn't be the first time a Star Trek production has come along and convoluted the canon even further.
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