NuKirk was not a child, and should have learned discipline during his years at the academy. That would have included leaving personal affairs to off-duty time whether you're in that specific situation or not. I do not excuse him for it He should have known better, and NuSpock should have known better as well.
Even if you learn that and discipline even the most disciplined are going to make mistakes.
Even such mistakes as basically telling the captain to shut up while she finished haranguing her boyfriend?
I have not served in the military either so I do not know. I have certainly talked back to my manager in a rather disrespectful tone and worked through that with him. But, he was an experienced manager and knew what to do. The whole point of ID is that Kirk is not at that leadership level yet. He thinks he is; and his conversation with Pike is very illustrative of that fact. He assumes that because he hasn't gotten anyone killed, that he inspires loyalty and camaraderie amongst his crew, those facts makes him a good leader, and that should be enough. Except it isn't. And that's the movie.
I'm looking forward to every show equally. I'm a rare and endangered trek fan.
Yes, even Prodigy, 'cause I'm a kid inside
So if nuKirk was in charge of a science lab and nuUhura felt the need to nag her boyfriend, it should be okay to do that during a shift when critical things were going on and nobody would tell them to keep it for off-hours?
you wish. They time travel by error after trying to exact revenge because their planet has been destroyed, could prevent such destruction but instead do nothing for decades, then go on revenge rampage instead. Eventually they end up in the same kind of anomaly that caused them to time travel in the first place but instead of time travel again they are just crushed for no. Reason. At. All.
That was the exact conclusion I had in the theater.
Aside from the attack on the Klingon prison planet.
Because Nero is insane. You are applying logical thinking to someone who has been deeply traumatized, and has had a psychotic break from reality. To Nero, as he says, the only way for Romulus to be safe is to eliminate the Federation who failed to save Romulus.
Exactly so. There is a different style of discipline than necessarily would be expected at a military academy.
Learned it? Sure. Know how to apply it? No, which is why Pike is completely right at the beginning of the film; Kirk is not ready for the center seat. Kirk has a very different attitude towards leadership, primarily driven by the fact that he believes that by not getting anyone killed he is a good leader. But, leadership comes from experience, not just training.
Exactly. Most of the time, when I was an assistant manager, the problems that came up were not stuff that was touched on in trainings and seminars. Certainly the knowledge could help but from time to time it came down to experience, confidence and ability as much as knowledge about procedure.'
I don't think it's implying. I think that is the point of the film.
Hopefully some degree of both. When the "drama" ruins the suspension of disbelief, that's not a good thing.
So you were never thrown into any sort of practicum during your time of learning how to be a lecturer? You don't say whether you teach in a university, or in a school, but even during my first year of a B.Ed. degree I was thrown into a real classroom with real kids for a minimum of 6 half-days (most of us did more) as an early way of seeing if I could handle it.
Thanks for explaining. To me it seemed like a mess of hammy actors (exception: Leonard Nimoy) spouting a series of one-liners as CGI stuff happens at a rate too fast to process, which resulted in the kind of sensory overload that makes me not want to watch anymore.
It's not that they had their "tiff." It's that they had it on-duty.
