ST5 - Unused Uniforms

[Dukhat]

Starfleet needs more variations not one uniform for decades.

I agree completely. The use of the monster maroons in TNG flashback scenes, Yesterday's Enterprise, etc. was done because of budget limitations of the time, not because someone felt a particular affinity for that uniform or made a conscious decision to have it be used for 70 years straight. Back when TNG first premiered, the now-unofficial FASA Officer's Manual had two 'intermediate' uniforms from the post-TMP films-pre-TNG era. That was more believable than reusing the maroons.

 

[fireproof78]

I agree completely. The use of the monster maroons in TNG flashback scenes, Yesterday's Enterprise, etc. was done because of budget limitations of the time, not because someone felt a particular affinity for that uniform or made a conscious decision to have it be used for 70 years straight. Back when TNG first premiered, the now-unofficial FASA Officer's Manual had two 'intermediate' uniforms from the post-TMP films-pre-TNG era. That was more believable than reusing the maroons.

I mean, I can see using the maroons as dress uniforms and not duty uniforms.

 

[McCoy's Disco Collar]

They always made a lot more sense to me as dress uniforms.

They certainly don't look all that comfortable, and Nichelle Nichols in particular didn't like wearing it.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

They always made a lot more sense to me as dress uniforms.

They certainly don't look all that comfortable, and Nichelle Nichols in particular didn't like wearing it.

As a daily shipboard duty uniform, those Monster Maroons are impractical. I agree they make more sense as a dress uniform.

I would've found a way to repurpose the short sleeve, Class-B uniforms from TMP and combined them with a black trouser. Because those fatigue shirts felt more like the USN's working khakis officers used to wear aboard ship.

 

[McCoy's Disco Collar]

I think that's a great idea. This shirt, either in long- or short-sleeve version, paired with black trousers.

The color scheme kind of reminds me of the original Operations uniform.

I still think if they'd used black trousers and boots instead of the sewn-in unitard booties, those TMP uniforms would have been a lot more popular with fans and actors.

 

[fireproof78]

With pockets.

 

[McCoy's Disco Collar]

As much as I would have liked to have seen new uniforms for TUC, it would have caused a continuity violation, as it was shown in multiple instances in TNG that the monster maroons were used as the standard Starfleet duty uniform with minimal changes for the next 70-some years after TUC.

I'm not sure that it would have, actually. TFF wrapped while TNG was still filming its second season. The film hit theatres in June of 1989. The double-breasted maroons didn't make their first significant appearance in TNG, and weren't established as being used in the interim, until the third season episode "Yesterday's Enterprise", which started shooting in December of 1989.

Seems pretty clear that if Shatner had been able to unveil new Starfleet uniforms in TFF, they would have been used for the "in between years" in TNG.

 

[Dukhat]

I'm not sure that it would have, actually. TFF wrapped while TNG was still filming its second season. The film hit theatres in June of 1989. The double-breasted maroons didn't make their first significant appearance in TNG, and weren't established as being used in the interim, until the third season episode "Yesterday's Enterprise", which started shooting in December of 1989.

Seems pretty clear that if Shatner had been able to unveil new Starfleet uniforms in TFF, they would have been used for the "in between years" in TNG.

I was referring to Meyer wanting new uniforms for TUC, which was released in 1991, two years after 'Yesterday's Enterprise." I did make that clear in the post you quoted.

 

[jackoverfull]

With pockets.

there are no pockets in the future, it’s gene’s vision. And even more so no zippers, enterprise isn’t canon!

 

[McCoy's Disco Collar]

I was referring to Meyer wanting new uniforms for TUC, which was released in 1991, two years after 'Yesterday's Enterprise." I did make that clear in the post you quoted.

Sorry, I intended to quote a different post, one about TFF. My bad.

You're right, it's possible that anything introduced in TUC would have contradicted what we had already seen in TNG. Unless they were talking about making minor introductions to the maroons, which would have been in line with the TNG approach.

there are no pockets in the future, it’s gene’s vision.

I know that's often repeated, but it's not entirely true.

 

[jackoverfull]

I know that's often repeated, but it's not entirely true

and there isn’t sarcasm in gene’s vision either, apparently.

 

[McCoy's Disco Collar]

I know, but some people do say it with all seriousness. And I appreciate any opportunity to post pics from TMP.

 

[fireproof78]

and there isn’t sarcasm in gene’s vision either, apparently.

Trek fans are not known for their sense of humor...

I know, but some people do say it with all seriousness. And I appreciate any opportunity to post pics from TMP.

What's more interesting in the pictures you post is that pockets are perfectly acceptable...if they are not on the main uniform. In TNG Crusher's jacket some pockets, but not the main uniform. In TMP and TWOK the field jackets have pockets, but not the primary duty uniforms, aside from the jumpsuit style with one pocket.

It makes no sense.

 

[Ssosmcin]

I always felt the jackets in TWOK were meant to be dress uniforms which would make some kinda sense when the command crew was "guesting" as training officers and this is an official school function. And even in the beginning of TSFS because that's what they were wearing. All well and good but then Uhura and Mr. Adventure are wearing them on their "hind end of space" transporter duty (Earth is the hind end of space??? dude). The moment they become standard duty uniforms, it's stupid. They're heavy and they wear long sleeve turtle necks and then, I hope, undies. Then at the end of TVH, sure, because they're on trial when we see them again. All makes sense.

Shatner was 100% right to want to change them for his movie. I love the combat fatigues, they work and look great.

To give TUC some grace. Kirk and crew are on a diplomatic envoy mission, so dress uniforms would work yet again. So really, the short scene with Uhura and TFF are the outliers here. Even Generations: the Enterprise B was on a press tour so everyone dresses for success.

 

[jackoverfull]

Trek fans are not known for their sense of humor...


What's more interesting in the pictures you post is that pockets are perfectly acceptable...if they are not on the main uniform. In TNG Crusher's jacket some pockets, but not the main uniform. In TMP and TWOK the field jackets have pockets, but not the primary duty uniforms, aside from the jumpsuit style with one pocket.

It makes no sense.

I guess they are like salopettes today: they are really untrendy but you still find someone wearing them.

Earth is the hind end of space??? dude

I think he meant it was a boring post. Not many red alerts or other adventures in earth’s orbit. Kirk stealing the enterprise and the probe next month we’re probably the last notable events until the dominion attack a century later.

I hope, undies

no underwear in space! Sorry, wrong franchise.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

think that's a great idea. This shirt, either in long- or short-sleeve version, paired with black trousers.

God, that bland, shapeless, beige t-shirt with the huge belt buckle practically screams "I was designed in the 1970s!!!" to me.

 

[FormerLurker]

Did they ever establish that the PerScan device was meant to double as a belt buckle?

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Did they ever establish that the PerScan device was meant to double as a belt buckle?

Not onscreen, no.

 

[Ssosmcin]

God, that bland, shapeless, beige t-shirt with the huge belt buckle practically screams "I was designed in the 1970s!!!" to me.

Like someone just transferred over from Moonbase Alpha

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Like someone just transferred over from Moonbase Alpha

Exactly. The '70s were one butt ugly decade.