Spoilers ST Strange New Worlds - StarShips & Technology Season 1 Discussion

[blssdwlf]

I always assumed since the Farragut was in service and suffered the dikironium cloud creature attack in the 2250s that the crew complement was closer to 200, thus when 200 died that means Kirk would have been one of only a small handful of crew left alive, making his survival that much more poignant and the disaster all the more tragic.

Not quite. I had just watched "Obsession" and "Balance of Terror" after watching "A Quality of Mercy" so it maybe fresher for me to bring up. The Farragut had a crew of around 400 when she was attacked by the dikronium cloud creature.

Interestingly, around 3 years before the attack on Farragut (-11 Years to TOS S2), Pike's Enterprise curiously had a normal crew of 200-ish.

It's totally possible that the SNW Farragut might have received a smaller crew although they could've actually increased in crew as well to above 400...

From "Obsession"

SPOCK: Fortunately, I read somewhat faster. In brief, Doctor, nearly half the crew and the captain were annihilated. The captain's name was Garrovick.
MCCOY: The same as our Ensign.
SPOCK: His father. Among the survivors was a young officer on his first deep-space assignment, James T. Kirk. And there is still more. I suggest you study this.
...
MCCOY: Am I? I was speaking of Lieutenant James T. Kirk of the starship Farragut. Eleven years ago, you were the young officer at the phaser station when something attacked. According to the tapes, this young Lieutenant Kirk insisted upon blaming himself.
KIRK: Because I delayed in firing at it.
MCCOY: You had a normal emotion. You were startled. You delayed firing for a grand total of perhaps two seconds.
KIRK: If I hadn't delayed, it would have been killed.
MCCOY: The ship's exec didn't seem to think so. His log entry was quite clear on the subject. Lieutenant Kirk is a fine young officer who performed with uncommon bravery.
KIRK: Don't you understand? It killed two hundred crewmen.
MCCOY: Captain Garrovick was very important to you, wasn't he, Jim?
KIRK: Yes. He was my commanding officer from the day I left the Academy. One of the finest men I ever knew. I could have killed that thing if I'd fired soon enough the first time.​

 

[blssdwlf]

On the subject of time travel tech, we now have three notable examples of Klingon temporal displacement:

1) Boreth's time crystals.

2) Alternate future Alexander saying "I know a guy". Said guy may or may not be Klingon.

3) Alternate future Korath building / acquiring a temporal vortex which is easily stolen by motivated Starfleet Admirals.

4) A runner-up is slingshotting a Bird of Prey around a star, but it's really not their technology that's involved.

All told, there's probably not much in the way of time travel tech being developed in the Empire anyway. Boreth being a not-unknown source of them is possibly why?

Mark

Could it be that Boreth is like the Klingon Temporal Cops and uses the crystals and a bat'leth to personally cull the bad timelines believing the crystals hold a "one true timeline"?

 

[Ronald Held]

Even thought it is alt-history, could the 1701 not been upgraded to look like the TOS version because Pike did not cede command to Kirk?

 

[cooleddie74]

Fair enough of a theory. The refit to the TOS appearance could have happened solely because Kirk was promoted to Captain and given command of the ship. With Pike remaining aboard for what is likely a third five-year mission he saw no need to upgrade or otherwise change the ship's mission profile and equipment.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I'd love that to be true, but I feel like believing that would just be setting myself up for disappointment.

 

[blssdwlf]

Even thought it is alt-history, could the 1701 not been upgraded to look like the TOS version because Pike did not cede command to Kirk?

Given that the SNW Enterprise is larger than the TOS Enterprise it would be an interesting shrinking/cutting exercise. OTOH, I'm in favor of having a larger TOS Enterprise

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I can see a future where all StarFleet fighters would have mass produced Spore Jump drive capabilities + Cloaking + Plasma Cannon Ball tech.

Imagine teleporting near a target and firing a charged up Plasma Cannon Ball at a target.

Or charging up the Plasma Cannon Ball, & Spore Jumping in right before release and hitting the target.

Imagine how devastating a fighter swarm could be to a larger vessel once they immobilize it from warping away.

Then repeated teleports in/out firing charged up Plasma Cannon Ball shots!

 

[DEWLine]

That's my only issue. Could still work if the saucer diameter is a bit bigger than the Enterprise. Internal volume grows quickly.

Unfortunately they specify that 200 is nearly half of the crew.

Half the crew is tragic/traumatic enough, I'd think.

 

[137th Gebirg]

That’s a requirement for entry into Starfleet.

 

[cooleddie74]

Even Scotty is missing a finger. Tragedy seems to be second on the Starfleet Academy application following Name.

 

[Albertese]

I am tempted to take a 1:1000 scale TOS Enterprise model and kitbash it into a TOS-style version of the Farragut from "A Quality of Mercy." Would be a fun project.

And though I thought there were certainly some interesting Romulan designs, (and I liked the mining ships Kirk was remote controlling) the Romulan fleet certainly stands in sharp contrast with how I've always read the size and strength of the Romulan Empire in 2266.

As an expression of my mere opinion, I gotta say, the Star Trek: Discovery esthetic fell flat for me at first, but the more I watch SNW, the more it really has grown on me.

--Alex

 

[mithril]

I'm not so sure if the Sombra-class is older now. If she was built with the same parts as a Constitution then they were peers? Or at the time were peers and one class received newer parts? They definitely have a different crew count (100 vs 200.)

IRL, the Ticonderoga class cruisers were built on the same hull and drive systems as the older Spruance class destroyers, just with a different weapons and sensor mix to meet a different role. (to the point that it could be difficult to tell them apart visually at a distance) it could be the Connies were general duty cruisers developed using the Sombra class exploration ships as a base.
given the sombra class is said to be faster than a connie, i'd imagine the Sombra class probably had a bigger more powerful warp core to get better warp velocity and endurance, and probably mounted lighter weapons and defenses to cut down on crew requirements.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

It may be too soon to do an S2 SNW Tech & Ships thread, but here's a detailed "Cribs" look at a new Enterprise set for S2, which only recently completed filming:

https://blog.trekcore.com/2022/07/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-season-finale-news-roundup/

We only saw that expansive mess hall set maybe once? And not in any particular detail. We saw the starbase briefing room set more often. I think they realized that all these AR sets would be too tough to shoot on a regular basis - the same physical space has to be reset for the cargo bay, engineering, probably shuttlebay, and whatever other planets of the week that need to be filmed. Better to have a smaller, four-wall set to work with if they want to use it on any regular basis. They suggest though that the mess hall may still be used - but I wonder if they will, since after all on Discovery once they got the bar, the Mess Hall practically vanished even though it was also a swing set.

Mark

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

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[Kamen Rider Blade]

I don't like the narrow spaced nacelles. Too much like Abramsprise, which I also don't like for (one of) the same reasons. Wider nacelles are always more attractive, imo.

The Miranda-class was prettier IMO.

 

[Vale]

I don't like the narrow spaced nacelles. Too much like Abramsprise, which I also don't like for (one of) the same reasons. Wider nacelles are always more attractive, imo.

The Abramsprise-A says not always...

 

[C.E. Evans]

The Kelvin Timeline Enterprise grew on me pretty quickly. Yes, it's a different take on the TOS Enterprise, but I thought that was the point as it was a different reality. I kind of liked the closer together nacelles for that design.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I remember when I first saw the Kelvin Enterprise I was so relieved that it actually looked like the Enterprise. Well, an alternate universe Enterprise. I'm much less keen on the Beyond refit and the Kelvin-A, but the original 2009 look really worked for me. Okay, it 85% worked for me. Bring back saucer undercuts!

 

[shapeshifter]

The Abramsprise-A says not always...

That one still has problems for me ascetically but narrow set nacelles isn't one of them.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

The Farragut’s nacelle configuration reminds me of the 1980s FASA starships that are of Andorran design, which all have their two nacelles angled close together and often protected by additional superstructure. Maybe this is a part tribute to that.

Mark