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Oh yeah, I forgot about those.
I remember that the TNG Phasers Type 2 Phasers has Square or Rectangular Emitter holes.
I guess you can make any shape you realistically feel like, it's just a emitter hole after all.
Anybody want a "5-pronged Star" shaped emitter hole for the sake of it?
No, too complicated for no real gain?
=P
Van Citters took heavy damage to the secondary hull and nacelles, and I didn't think of it until you said it, but it makes sense that they retreated inside to begin their own repairs and maybe provide aid to Douglas Station?
"Other side of the system" really did stick out like a phaser turret! It would probably make more sense if Captain Freeman had said "Sector" or especially "Quadrant"? Potentially there's another type of "System" in common use other than "Solar System"? Solar Systems are what those rainbows whizzing past them are! (Unless you count Mike McMahan's "pods of rainbow-coloured space dolphins".)
Timing is everything, and the stardate in Ransom's log (if you can ever count on a stardate) is a mere 27 hours after Captain Freeman's log in the last episode. (For whatever it's worth, Mariner claims in her instagram audio log that she was only on Starbase 80 for "like 30 seconds" "because it smells like old shrimp".) Then we'd have to factor in Captain Freeman's unspecified travel time from Douglas Station to Earth and back, so it does make sense that the Admiralty could have recalled all the California Class to the vicinity of Douglas for "shuttering". But how long does it take to build a Texas Class? And was Les telling the truth (now a grave assumption to make!) during "Trusted Sources" when he said there were 3 Texas Class ready? Presumably if there were any others completed, the Aledo would have woken them up first before burning the station's heart in a fire?
Continuing the notion that a Cali-class is not as cool as a Luna, which is not as cool as a Galaxy, Dr. T'Ana (correctly) would rather be on a Cali than an Oberth.
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I prefer Cali over all three.
Judging from the fact that both Rawda and some Drookmani were able to operate them with no prior training, it seems that Areore ships' controls are sensitive to the user's brain activity.
Additional thoughts:
- The USS Van Citters has the lowest NCC number of any Sovereign-class ship (which itself is a recent development, we got a LOT of Sovereign-class ship names and numbers only earlier this year!). Still, for what it's worth, chronological NCCers may assume that the Van Citters is one of the earliest of the Sovereigns around, given most of the known ones are in the 74 and 75xxx range.
- Freeman calls for "maximum warp me" and Boimler takes the Cereritos to warp 8. I don't think her maximum speed was canonized prior to this, but it does make for the second class of Federation starship with a maximum speed as such, the other one being the Nova-class.
- I was previously wondering if the California-class had aft-facing torpedo launchers. I guess not, since they didn't fire on their pursuers or just drop photons like... mines, instead of a warp core?
- The USS Merced was apparently repaired (and not just on a new ship, renamed?) after their encounter with alien goo in season one. On that, how does this episode as a whole track with the appearance of the shiny new USS Solvang from that same year? Does this mean that the Cali-class was still being built until recently, or (IMO more likely) they had just finished a service life refit on the Solvang after hauling her out of mothballs to replace the Rubidoux, keeping the Cali-class fleet at full strength?
- Picard is an Admiral by this stardate, which is at most three years after the events of Nemesis. This tracks with the picture of him holding baby Thad Riker in PIC S1, while (probably) still on the Enterprise-E at least for that picture. So he's somehow financing archeological do-gooding outside Starfleet oversight? Is he financing this with outside-of-Federation sales of Chateau Picard? How does that sort of thing work in this era of Trek history?
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- The USS Van Citters has the lowest NCC number of any Sovereign-class ship (which itself is a recent development, we got a LOT of Sovereign-class ship names and numbers only earlier this year!). Still, for what it's worth, chronological NCCers may assume that the Van Citters is one of the earliest of the Sovereigns around, given most of the known ones are in the 74 and 75xxx range.
- Freeman calls for "maximum warp me" and Boimler takes the Cereritos to warp 8. I don't think her maximum speed was canonized prior to this, but it does make for the second class of Federation starship with a maximum speed as such, the other one being the Nova-class.
- I was previously wondering if the California-class had aft-facing torpedo launchers. I guess not, since they didn't fire on their pursuers or just drop photons like... mines, instead of a warp core?
- The USS Merced was apparently repaired (and not just on a new ship, renamed?) after their encounter with alien goo in season one. On that, how does this episode as a whole track with the appearance of the shiny new USS Solvang from that same year? Does this mean that the Cali-class was still being built until recently, or (IMO more likely) they had just finished a service life refit on the Solvang after hauling her out of mothballs to replace the Rubidoux, keeping the Cali-class fleet at full strength?
- Picard is an Admiral by this stardate, which is at most three years after the events of Nemesis. This tracks with the picture of him holding baby Thad Riker in PIC S1, while (probably) still on the Enterprise-E at least for that picture. So he's somehow financing archeological do-gooding outside Starfleet oversight? Is he financing this with outside-of-Federation sales of Chateau Picard? How does that sort of thing work in this era of Trek history?
Mark
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It wasn't established specifically, but the background in the pic with Picard and Thad was of the Enterprise-E conference room, circa Nemesis, gold models of previous Enterprises and all (cribbed from a promotional picture of the set, IIRC). In any case, it doesn't match the conference room of the Titan which we've also seen in what is around the same time. At the time we speculated that Picard was on the Enterprise being ferried somewhere, if he wasn't still directly in command (if Kirk could do it...), and they rendezvoused with the Titan or the Trois otherwise came for a visit.
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It would seem that "maximum warp" setting on the helm isn't maximum warp in engineering. Billups had a whole slider to work with for additional warp speed
Maybe this is "emergency warp"?
I think that's what the slider is for, use it if you want to risk breaking the ships structural integrity!It would seem that "maximum warp" setting on the helm isn't maximum warp in engineering. Billups had a whole slider to work with for additional warp speed
You saw how the struts were behaving, they were getting close to breaking point.
I can understand why 32nd century went with floating Nacelles.
No Struts to break in the future.
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Well maximum warp is the maximum safe speed for lets say 12 hours.
In encounter at farpoint they went to maximum, but Data also said they could push more "at extreme risk"
So Billups removed the limiter and pushed forward.
Look at the Tos Enterprise going Warp 14 near critical overload. Same with the NX .. There's maximum then theres blow up the engines emergency
In encounter at farpoint they went to maximum, but Data also said they could push more "at extreme risk"
So Billups removed the limiter and pushed forward.
Look at the Tos Enterprise going Warp 14 near critical overload. Same with the NX .. There's maximum then theres blow up the engines emergency
It's usually a good idea to limit the "Extreme Warp Speeds" to the Chief Engineers control.
Or the captain, if Hunt for Red October taught me anything.
IRL military vessels and aircraft tend to have limiters governing their engine output. usually this is kept to about 80% of the design maximum, to reduce wear and tear. you can disengage the main limiters for what is generally called "military power" to get to 100% of the designed output. use of such power is usually kept to a minimum because it puts more wear on the engines, frame/hull, etc. and can reduce the service lifespan of the unit.It would seem that "maximum warp" setting on the helm isn't maximum warp in engineering. Billups had a whole slider to work with for additional warp speed
and if your really want to get risky and aren't worried about whether you'll burn out your engine, you can pull all restrictions and limiters and redline your engines, which can easily get you to 110%-120% or better of the rated outputs. it tends to wreck the hardware though.
given the way that starfleet engineers are overly conservative with their design specs (as mentioned by Scotty in TNG Relics) i suspect that similar can be said of starfleet designs.. honestly given the multiple generations of that i wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't push most starfleet ships up to 150% without really risking the hardware.
the Cali-class is supposed to have a galaxy class level warp core despite being tied into a ship that is less than half the mass and size. presumably it has power to burn, and if you channel all that into the drive without concern that you'll burn your engines out you can probably get to a fairly high warp #. possibly matching or exceeding the kinds of speeds the Interpid class is known for.
That was because they were able to increase the power output from the original specifications, but it would have been too much trouble to change all the paperwork to make that the new 100%, which sounds like the most government thing ever.
Billups has a certain amount of overblown pride in Cerritos as the fastest in the fleet, but for short, dangerous, bursts it can go above its maximum rated warp 8.
There's another point about Cali-class build speed to be found. If Boimler's original holo-program for Crisis Point wasn't taking a liberty for dramatic effect "Starfleet doesn't have a San Clemente" in what is likely Nov 2380, but it's got one by Jul 2, 2381.
I'm frankly impressed Cerritos can put up as much of a fight as it does, it's been a rough year: Terraforming emulsion and flooding on July 17 2380, nacelle torn off and saucer carved up in November-ish 2380, a "hell of a beating" by planetary fragments in the Laap System in February 2381, double Minooki rebuilds in April 2381, and it's always back on its feet in a week or so, month at the outside.
If Cerritos has aft-facing torpedoes, maybe it exhausted them quickly against the Breen offscreen merely the day before the fight with Aledo and hadn't even had time to restock?
-Edit- The Stardates in 'Trusted Sources' and 'The Stars at Night' are a day apart, but there's reason to believe more time passed during 'The Stars At Night' while Captain Freeman went to Earth and back. And, potentially, Admiral Buenamigo would have ensured the Cerritos was back to standard prior to the race out of 'fairness'.
-Edit Additional- Shax’s post-season instagram audio log is also “July 2, 2381”, about 5 hours after Ransom’s in-episode log.
There's another point about Cali-class build speed to be found. If Boimler's original holo-program for Crisis Point wasn't taking a liberty for dramatic effect "Starfleet doesn't have a San Clemente" in what is likely Nov 2380, but it's got one by Jul 2, 2381.
I'm frankly impressed Cerritos can put up as much of a fight as it does, it's been a rough year: Terraforming emulsion and flooding on July 17 2380, nacelle torn off and saucer carved up in November-ish 2380, a "hell of a beating" by planetary fragments in the Laap System in February 2381, double Minooki rebuilds in April 2381, and it's always back on its feet in a week or so, month at the outside.
If Cerritos has aft-facing torpedoes, maybe it exhausted them quickly against the Breen offscreen merely the day before the fight with Aledo and hadn't even had time to restock?
-Edit- The Stardates in 'Trusted Sources' and 'The Stars at Night' are a day apart, but there's reason to believe more time passed during 'The Stars At Night' while Captain Freeman went to Earth and back. And, potentially, Admiral Buenamigo would have ensured the Cerritos was back to standard prior to the race out of 'fairness'.
-Edit Additional- Shax’s post-season instagram audio log is also “July 2, 2381”, about 5 hours after Ransom’s in-episode log.
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If you imagine, like me, that all the logs, instagram included, and the hillschmidt Stardate calculator itself are “canonical”, AND Captain Freeman, Ransom, Mariner, Tendi, and Shax each recorded their logs in real time… then the travel time between Earth, Douglas Station, Galardon, LT-358, Okmenic 9, Ornara, Brekka, Starbase 80, Qualor II in Sector 213 of the Beta Quadrant, D’Onni’s Thieves’ Den in the same sector, Bonestell, Far Space Starbase Earhart, the Bitrus Expanse, and possibly Apergos is negligible in 2381, a matter of hours at most, even on a junker version of the type 15 shuttle. It seems like Voy’s Delta Quadrant discoveries made space a lot smaller very quickly.
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