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Spoilers ST Lower Decks - Starships and Technology Season One Discusssion

Boilmer was out of phase by a milliCochrane. He could interact with normal matter. How far out of phase would he have to be to only be able to walk on decks?

See "Time's Arrow" for hard data. We learn that ".004 variance" suffices for making one invisible to one's colleagues, and since the heroes previously spoke of milliseconds, then apparently <4 ms shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be <4 ms, if you want to Boim somebody up.

I'm convinced that all the instances of "phasing" depict the same phenomenon: it's always about nudging the target slightly forward or backward in time, so whatever he does shall not reach the surroundings even though what the surroundings do shall reach him, or vice versa. This regardless of whether the make-ghost device is a phase discriminator, a phaser rifle or a transporter... It's just a matter of how far you turn the knob.

What the exact relation between seconds and cochranes might be remains to be defined, but probably they are directly rather than inversely related.... (And it really ought to be cochrane rather than Cochrane as per the SI rules.)

Timo Saloniemi
 
My observations for 1x07:

- Rutherford is playing around with two transporter-booths that seem single person. The way they are presented suggests that they are ripped out of the wall from somewhere and close-circuited together for his experimentation. Does this suggest that there are one-person transporters on the Cerritos? Is this technology moving towards the walk-through transporter booths we will see in "Picard"? Or did Rutherford build this setup on his own?

- This is the first time we see both Boimler and Mariner apparently on regular duty on the bridge at science and tactical stations respectively. Is this because three of the senior staff are away?

- When Rutherford cures Boimler of his luminous auditory excretions, we hear the TNG-era tricorder "opening" sound effect even though the 'corder is already open. Makes me wonder if the ratcheting sound is ACTUALLY a power-up of some sort, after all these years...

- There's SO MUCH to unpack about the USS Osler! But I'd like to focus on HOW its looks correspond to its mission. IMO, either its evil, aggressive look has to do with whatever FTL drive it uses to get around; or perhaps they're already AT the Spa World and the ship's design allows it to traverse the Briar Patch-esque space that hides the planet AND maybe gives it the miraculous healing abilities it's known for.

- Or what if it's an example of a non-Starfleet design co-opted for Starfleet use? NX usually means prototype, but perhaps an alien ship given a special Starfleet registration for its unique purpose?

- Either way, the Osler must have been on its way to Endo V as their trip is relatively short. If my Briar Patch theory is correct, maybe they had spent a few months collecting assorted incidents from around the Federation and had just started traversing into the nebula when they got the call from the Cerritos, and popped back out to rendezvous before restarting the final leg.

- This is SORTA undone as Boims and Tendi head home on a standard shuttle. But who knows, maybe getting out is a hell of a lot easier than getting in.

- The Edosian is wearing a mask when he comes aboard the Cerritos but isn't later on. I guess he was doing some protocol on first observing Boimler and The Dog, to triage them into the general patient compartment / prison.

- If it suggests passenger count at all, the Rubidoux's entire complement (or what was left of it?) could be housed aboard the Cerritos, or they were just being jerks when they beamed the whole Merced crew to the generational ship a few weeks ago.

Mark
 
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- When Rutherford cures Boimler of his luminous auditory excretions, we hear the TNG-era tricorder "opening" sound effect even though the 'corder is already open. Makes me wonder if the ratcheting sound is ACTUALLY a power-up of some sort, after all these years...

Or it's an animation and/or sound design error.
 
My observations for 1x07:

- Rutherford is playing around with two transporter-booths that seem single person. The way they are presented suggests that they are ripped out of the wall from somewhere and close-circuited together for his experimentation. Does this suggest that there are one-person transporters on the Cerritos? Is this technology moving towards the walk-through transporter booths we will see in "Picard"? Or did Rutherford build this setup on his own?

- This is the first time we see both Boimler and Mariner apparently on regular duty on the bridge at science and tactical stations respectively. Is this because four of the senior staff are away?

- When Rutherford cures Boimler of his luminous auditory excretions, we hear the TNG-era tricorder "opening" sound effect even though the 'corder is already open. Makes me wonder if the ratcheting sound is ACTUALLY a power-up of some sort, after all these years...

- There's SO MUCH to unpack about the USS Osler! But I'd like to focus on HOW its looks correspond to its mission. IMO, either its evil, agressive look has to do with whatever FTL drive it uses to get around; or perhaps they're already AT the Spa World and the ship's design allows it to traverse the Briar Patch-esque space that hides the planet AND maybe gives it the miraculous healing abilities it's known for.

- Or what if it's an example of a non-Starfleet design co-opted for Starfleet use? NX usually means prototype, but perhaps an alien ship given a special Starfleet registration for its unique purpose?

- Either way, the Osler must have been on its way to Endo V as their trip is relatively short. If my Briar Patch theory is correct, maybe they had spent a few months collecting assorted incidents from around the Federation and had just started traversing into the nebula when they got the call from the Cerritos, and popped back out to rendezvous before restarting the final leg.

- This is SORTA undone as Boims and Tendi head home on a standard shuttle. But who knows, maybe getting out is a hell of a lot easier than getting in.

- The Edosian is wearing a mask when he comes aboard the Cerritos but isn't later on. I guess he was doing some protocol on first observing Boimler and The Dog, to triage them into the general patient compartment / prison.

- If it suggests passenger count at all, the Rubidoux's entire complement (or what was left of it?) could be housed aboard the Cerritos, or they were just being jerks when they beamed the whole Merced crew to the generational ship a few weeks ago.

One person intership rapid transit booths seem like a great idea if you don't need a long awkward turbolift conversation-with-the-Captain ride.
Tricorder noise NOT caused by opening it! Might solve several audio synch problems throughout series' history?
Osler is a found ship, like Blake's 7's Liberator! Just a spooky old, completely empty Husnock hulk found drifting one night in a creepy nebula...
Division 14 Specialist is only masked during the airlock disinfection sequence- that red mist is no good for Edosians. And it smells of brimstone.
 
Perhaps being an engineering ship, those single unit transporters
are available for tinkering?
Could the Osler be a non Federation ship performing missions not to be widely known?
 
Great ships in the new episode, I especially like the Warbirds!

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I love how the TOS BOP basically had the D'Deridex bridge set as seen in TNG "Face of the Enemy", right down to the awkward command chair that was also seen on assorted other alien starships.

I mean, it SHOULD by all rights have been the bridge from TOS "Balance of Terror", but at least they seem to indicate that a BOP of the era can be crewed by a handful of people in LDS as back then.

Mark
 
The shuttle seen approaching the spacedock was a reuse of the Yosemite, with the registry changed to NCC-77567.

The Clicket starship was kinda interesting, but it seems forgettable as many people are not mentioning it.
 
1x08 Veritas

Granted, the accuracy of the majority of this episode is questionable, as it's being told in the form of flashbacks through the eyes of our heroes (notably Tendi and T'Ana, IMO). Still, there's a lot we can speculate on given what REALLY happened, namely with this off-book rescue mission the Cerritos somehow got itself detailed to do...

- The repair bay's ceiling is angled, suggesting that wherever it is, it's against the top of the saucer somewhere.

- The gang is actually working on the shuttle that's been there since the first episode. I'm guessing it's a personal or even make-work project of some kind, as there seems to be no rush on getting this done, AND Tendi is working on it for some reason. It doesn't seem to be a vintage ship or anything a Tom Paris would sink his teeth into.

- This is the first episode in which we see a California-class starship fire weapons, in this case the saucer's large ventral phaser strip. Gotta admit, I miss the whole light-travelling-along-the-strip thing.

- The two Vulcan dudes that Shaxs and Billups (and Rutherford?) knock out are using hand phasers most usually associated with the Ferengi, but which have been seen in Vulcan hands too.

- This is the first time we've seen the inside of the Vulcan Warpshuttle, a design that was first-and-only really seen in TMP. It's actually pretty accurate to the model from what I can see, although the side door Rutherford gets tossed through features a single horizonal window instead of the original's two vertical windows. Still, this can be a much later model of the design, as the forward console feature Vulcan LCARS touch controls.

- OTOH, the shuttle was originally designed as a standard Starfleet shuttle, complete with the docking ring used in TMP/TWOK. Several were seen in the Enterprise shuttlebay in the original TMP release, though they were replaced with empty CGI bays in later releases. One wonders if this is still a common design, given the number of Miranda class ships and their cohorts still ambling around with said docking rings.

- The outside of the museum has several ships on display outside and atop the building. None of them seem to be classic Vulcan design, but are not any known Trek design. Three of them seem to be the same Starfleet-ish saucer design, exhibited (or maybe parked!) on pads around the facility.

- Okay, my list of what's visible in the museum:

Ferengi shuttle
Tholian webspinner (TOS)
Starfleet Type-6 Shuttle
Workbee (DS9)
Jem-Haddar attack ship
Klingon ship (PROBABLY a D7)
Romlan BoP (TOS)
Vulcan Lander (First Contact or that Discovery cameo)
Starfleet shuttle (TOS)

There's also a conspicuous bottom of another ship, barely visible in the shot where Shaxs starts clambering up the struts holding the BoP in place. It looks like the bottom of an eight-sided dice but I can't identify it. In that same area is a generic display of some sort that seems to have a starship silhouette on it - or it could just be a map of the museum.

- Lots of these ships must be scale models. The size of the building isn't really precluding full-size exhibits from fitting, but going by the scale of the people standing next to some of them, there's no way they can ALL be full size IMO.

- The Vulcan guard Rutherford has to distract is wearing armor that is inspired by, but not QUITE like the armor that shows up in assorted TOS movies. He's carrying a modern phaser rifle that is seen elsewhere in the show (overkill for a museum security guy, no?). What's the deal here - are we looking at non-Starfleet museum security, a Vulcan museum docent getting a little trigger happy with his weapons collection, or 2380 Starfleet security complete with contemporary weapons? We see in "Picard" that Starfleet security has graduated back to full armor by the attack on Mars in 2385, perhaps this is a version of that?

- And this is the first time we've seen someone steal a museum exhibit in Trek. This has been done in other sci-fi (Battlestar Galactica comes to mind) and in Trek literature (Scotty steals the USS Yorktown out of the museum in the TNG novel "Crossover"), but not as part of an episode's plot. Still, it disregards how we understand museum exhibits are usually seen - there is a LOT of work done to the ships and planes we see in museums today to make them display-ready, notably removing the engines, avionics, weapons and so on. I've been on the USS Midway and Intrepid museums, and they're both permanently mounted (in the water) and everything that makes them move has been disconnected and largely removed. It's not like some sneaky teens could stay after closing time and float the thing away.

- As such, I'm wondering about the logistics of getting an antique moving again in the Trek universe. Assuming the ship was stored flight-worthy in the first place, I can't imagine they'd just leave it fueled up and ready to go. Perhaps the ship, once stolen, was sent somewhere it could be outfitted with a warp drive, antimatter / singularity, and a cloaking device that wouldn't instantly be seen through as it's a century old?

- Or maybe it wasn't even a Romulan ship! For all we know it was a Federation ship designed and built for infiltration in some period, and once it wasn't useful anymore, put out to a museum.

- Or that's what they WANTED you to think...

- The Rutherford segment doesn't necessarily end on Gorn or a Gorn planet. It's got the Vasquez rocks in the background, but rock formations exactly like that have been seen on many planets around the Galaxy. For all we know, this Gorn wedding could have been on Earth!

- The commandos on Ramsay's team need not be Starfleet, need they? They're obviously not meant to be part of the Cerritos' regular crew, but they may not even be Starfleet at all.

- The USS Alhambra bridge has the exact same bridge paint scheme as the Cerritos, which bucks the trend for the other ships seen in this series, even for a one-note joke...

- Where exactly on the ship does Freeman praise / dress down the LDs? It's a big empty space with a bench in it. It's not the shuttlebay.

Mark
 
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I love the idea that the Romulan ship is really a Federation copy- but, yes, wouldn't they still have to gas it up?

I recently heard that a museum heist of the Future Enterprise-D was omitted from "All Good Things..." in the early draft.

If Ransom's commandos AREN'T from Cerritos, or even Starfleet, it might explain why he's got no expectations for who the Cleaner is. And where WAS the Cleaner? Hope they didn't get Starfleet Delta tattoos for nothing...
 
In the recent Holodeck Movie ep, the Gatling Phaser Pistol was pretty Sweet.

Shax's Heavy Phaser Blaster was also pretty awesome, Shax also finally gets to shoot something and boy was the beam blast HUGE =D.
 
I love how the TOS BOP basically had the D'Deridex bridge set as seen in TNG "Face of the Enemy", right down to the awkward command chair that was also seen on assorted other alien starships.

I mean, it SHOULD by all rights have been the bridge from TOS "Balance of Terror", but at least they seem to indicate that a BOP of the era can be crewed by a handful of people in LDS as back then.

Mark
It did have the TOS Colour scheme/lighting as a compromise.
According to one of the art people they used the TNG set because it was a bit more roomier.
 
Unfortunately no. I'm pretty new to Imgur, but here's what we're looking for:

https://imgur.com/a/L5zevto

I was gonna suggest it was one of the Angels from the "Evangelion" anime, but I checked against it and probably not. :P Still, this mystery ship is too obvious to be just part of the building. And likely not a Goa'uld mothership, either...

Mark

Don’t know why you’d keep it in a museum, seems foolhardy, but... a version of a Borg Vinculum?

I’m not ready to rule out the pyramids of the Goa’uld.
 
Or even a Borg diamond, but that seems 1) hard to capture (unless these ARE replicas) and 2) a bit... BIG for the room.
 
The D-7/K'T'inga looked a bit small to fit in there, compared to the other ships. I'm thinking most definitely scaled replicas.
 
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