Spoilers ST Lower Decks - Starships and Technology Season One Discusssion
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Hmm... looks like they've canonized the Titan design created for the novels, but not the crew members created for the novels. Well, chronology-wise, it could still fit in several months after Sword of Damocles; the later Titan novels were already knocked out by Picard's backstory anyway. We can just assume there were some crew transfers in the interim.
Interesting... the FC-era uniforms are still in use on Titan simultaneously with the new uniforms seen on the Cerritos. I guess that makes it official that different uniform styles coexist -- maybe the LD uniforms are specific to the "second contact" division. So there'll be no inconsistency if LD keeps using these uniforms once it catches up to the Picard flashbacks.
Titan design is now cannon? Woo Woo! Time to to give Ezri the Aventine!!
Absence of evidence of Tuvok is not evidence of absence of Tuvok. Maybe he’ll be there to demote Bradward next season.
Makes sense, really. Generations used 7th Seasion TNG and 1st Season DS9/Voyager jumpsuits simultaneously and Voyager used the jumpsuits and FC uniforms (mostly from visiting holo-cameos, but still clearly a chronological overlap). This was just the next phase in uniform design, which probably led directly to the uniforms shown in the Picard flashbacks when he and Raffi were still in Starfleet.
IRL, our military forces spend several years transitioning between camouflage patterns, mostly because they are now required to purchase the uniforms on their own, as opposed to "general issue" through quartermaster corps. At least, that's how it was explained to me by a US Army National Guardsman back in '04. It may have changed since then, but I doubt it.
In the later DS9 seasons we saw the late TNG uniform in background use, during a diplomatic event. As for Voyager, back then we figured that the stranded crew had better things to do than re-replicate everyone's uniforms - after painstakingly replicating the newer phasers and combadges in the second season. As it stands they quite possibly repainted the ship, inside and out, right before "Caretaker" to update the logos.
So, SO much to unpack here..! The Titan, plus Captain Cameo and his crew take the cake here, but we've also got the Solvang, the Sacramento, the Pakled ships, and the massive repairs being done to the Cerritos too. Then there's Peanut Hamper, Beta III, and ESPECIALLY THIS THING. Stupid work budgeting keeping me from this or my 1x09 observations..!
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So, SO much to unpack here..! The Titan, plus Captain Cameo and his crew take the cake here, but we've also got the Solvang, the Sacramento, the Pakled ships, and the massive repairs being done to the Cerritos too. Then there's Peanut Hamper, Beta III, and ESPECIALLY THIS THING. Stupid work budgeting keeping me from this or my 1x09 observations..!
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The Titan fires photon torpedoes from the dorsal pod thingy, and QUANTUM torpedoes from a ventral port. Oh my giddy aunt!
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Did the crew of the Vancouver (who were definitely not a second contact crew) wear different uniforms than the crew of California class ships?
It likely takes years to transition the entire fleet to the A duty uniform. Ships too distant for real time communication may have to go to a spacedock for updated replicator patterns?
The thing between the TNG and DS9/VOY uniforms doesn't work that way, though. Sure, (some of) our TNG heroes may go from TNG style "forward" to DS9 style during ST:GEN. But Sisko then goes from DS9 style "back" to TNG style when getting a job at Earth - surely not "too distant" from anything!?!
It looks more as if the TNG and DS9 styles were intended to be worn side by side, being the A and B variants of the "regular" BDU, and with flag and dress uniforms and the like to round out the selection. Andt hen the whole thing was (gradually) replaced by the ST:FC style, of which we never got more than one "regular" uniform even though we eventually did get flag and dress. Now there we could easily plead failure of distant ships and stations to get the "upgrade", explaining VOY and the couple of visiting officers late in the show. And yes, we can do that with the ST:FC style vs. the LDS style, too.
...We're just missing the second style of regular uniform for the ST:FC wardrobe, the equivalent of the DS9/VOY ones. No doubt half the crew of the Titan wears that. But on that ship's lower decks, which we are yet to visit...
For the first seven years, Picard never let his crew wear the B style, and I can easily see Freeman do the same. Wearing B is tantamount to letting your hair down, and Picard, umm, would have none of that.
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It looks more as if the TNG and DS9 styles were intended to be worn side by side, being the A and B variants of the "regular" BDU, and with flag and dress uniforms and the like to round out the selection. Andt hen the whole thing was (gradually) replaced by the ST:FC style, of which we never got more than one "regular" uniform even though we eventually did get flag and dress. Now there we could easily plead failure of distant ships and stations to get the "upgrade", explaining VOY and the couple of visiting officers late in the show. And yes, we can do that with the ST:FC style vs. the LDS style, too.
...We're just missing the second style of regular uniform for the ST:FC wardrobe, the equivalent of the DS9/VOY ones. No doubt half the crew of the Titan wears that. But on that ship's lower decks, which we are yet to visit...
For the first seven years, Picard never let his crew wear the B style, and I can easily see Freeman do the same. Wearing B is tantamount to letting your hair down, and Picard, umm, would have none of that.
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Uniforms could easily be at the Captain's discretion, n'est ce-pas? Just as Freeman might not want Cerritos to start looking too much like a Sovereign-class, she might also just know a damn good uniform when she sees it.
Fletcher got promoted to the Titan, but when we saw him at the end of the episode, he was still wearing the LDS uniform. Perhaps when he called to say he'd been "frickin' fired", it means Riker had already drummed him off the ship and he was speaking from Starbase 80...
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IRL military Uniforms and StarFleet Uniforms have a transition period where both can co-exist until the new one fully takes place.
The amount of time in each "Transition Period" varies.
Except we now see that the FC uniforms are still in use alongside the LD uniforms in 2380, while in Picard's flashbacks we see that yet another different uniform is in use in 2382. So it doesn't make much sense to assume the LD uniforms are the replacement for the FC uniforms, but then get replaced by yet another new design almost immediately after they finish phasing in. It's more plausible that they're an alternate "undress" option or division-specific uniform.
After all, we've seen simultaneous use of different uniform styles before, e.g. between the Enterprise-D and DS9/Voyager and between Discovery and Pike's Enterprise.
More to the point, I'm thinking of real-world production considerations, which always override in-universe logic. Since LD was in production at the same time as Picard and was set just a couple of years before its flashbacks, I imagine they could've used the PIC uniforms if they'd wanted to, but instead they chose to create a distinct uniform design, probably because LD's retro-TNG style is more colorful and better suited for animation than the black-with-colored-shoulders PIC style. So it stands to reason that they'd want to keep that design even after their timeline catches up with PIC's flashbacks.
Also, the LDS/FC uniforms aren't EXACTLY like the live action FC uniforms. Invisible zippers and grey ribbing aside, they noticeably have the same boot soles as the LDS uniforms, complete with arrowhead. The live action uniform boots have always been relatively nondescriipt, off the shelf boots.
We can assume that inanimate objects like uniforms are subject to artistic stylization/caricaturing just as the physical proportions of people's faces and bodies are.
Couple things I noticed on the Titan, the top phaser array is recessed into the hull and is a bright blue colour, and the phaser array on the bottom of the saucer is missing.
The bridge also seems to be the Cerritos bridge, but with a Ent-E bridge design aesthetic.
No sign of a bridge window on the exterior.
The bridge also seems to be the Cerritos bridge, but with a Ent-E bridge design aesthetic.
No sign of a bridge window on the exterior.
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If there ever are more Titan novels, the ship will look like the LDS version or Treklit?
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