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Spoilers ST Discovery - Starships and Technology Season Three SPOILER Discussion

I am not referring to Iceland. I am referring to the filming location for the Mercantile. We have already seen it in "Brother" (USS Hiawatha interior) and "Red Angel" and "Perpetuity Infinity" (Essof IV base).
Did we? Can't say I noticed. But then, such things aren't my obsession and seem to be standard for most productions no matter what the budget.
 
Too much pointless speculation going on here. My point is that the Enterprise-J as seen in ‘Azati Prime’ was not the prime universe Enterprise-J. We don’t even know if there will even be an Enterprise-J in the prime timeline.
Not only that, we don't know if the interior, the interior display, the window, and the battle have anything to do with what anything actually looks like in that period. It could have all been holographic fakes to illustrate Daniel's point, without revealing any additional truth about the future.
 
The Magee class and the tug in CoM were clearly mothballed ships being reactivated for the evacuation.

No they weren't. Picard didn't try to get Starfleet to use mothballed ships until after the synth attack on Utopia Planitia, which happened after we saw those ships in orbit. And Starfleet denied his request anyway, so there would have been no reason for old ships to be seen. The only reason why we saw those Magee and Zimmerman ships was because they didn't have the Wallenberg CGI model ready in time. This is yet another instance where we have to ignore the fact that those ships were from DSC and we have to pretend that they are new ships that coincidentally look like ships from 120 years before.
 
No they weren't. Picard didn't try to get Starfleet to use mothballed ships until after the synth attack on Utopia Planitia, which happened after we saw those ships in orbit. And Starfleet denied his request anyway, so there would have been no reason for old ships to be seen. The only reason why we saw those Magee and Zimmerman ships was because they didn't have the Wallenberg CGI model ready in time. This is yet another instance where we have to ignore the fact that those ships were from DSC and we have to pretend that they are new ships that coincidentally look like ships from 120 years before.
You're right. I haven't watched the main series in ages and forgot the timeline of things.
 
This is yet another instance where we have to ignore the fact that those ships were from DSC and we have to pretend that they are new ships that coincidentally look like ships from 120 years before.

Or then that there's some reason why a dockyard would have an old tug around...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Or then that there's some reason why a dockyard would have an old tug around...

One, maybe. But there are two, if not three tugs in orbit. It stretches credibility that they are all coincidentally supposed to be the same type of ship from the 2250’s. If it’s just a case of Starfleet looking for tugs to use, then why not one Zimmerman and one circa-2320’s tug?
 
Oh, I'm ready to believe the yard has fifty tugs around, nicely clustered by type. :devil:

(Those, plus a single Magee, a convenient barracks ship for her bulkiness.)

Timo Saloniemi
 
30th century ships!

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Take that, Picard finale. :P I know the timing and budget circumstances are completely different, but THIS is what we should have seen then. Or at least the Zheng He flanked by a bunch of Intrepids, Sovereigns and Lunas. :P

The most frequent one seems to be the type we saw in pieces in the premiere. There's also a "bottle opener" type and whatever those more vertical craft are.

Mark
 
You can't tell me that every warp engine has to use dilithium. Since it was a longstanding Federation policy to wait until a species had independently invented warp drive to make contact with them, there should be lots of other ways to achieve warp flight than with a matter/antimatter reactor and dilithium crystals. Heck, the Romulans use a quantum singularity. Of course, this show's writers obviously don't care about such things.
 
Well, even Romulans still mine dilithium. And who's to say there is a way to independently achieve warp drive without dilithium? The crystal may be an entry requirement in itself.

Timo Saloniemi
 
All Romulan ship did not use the singularity drive(although this may not be Canon). Did slipstream drives also explode?
 
All Romulan ship did not use the singularity drive(although this may not be Canon). Did slipstream drives also explode?
I think only the large Romulan StarShips used the Artificial Quantum Singularity reactors due to the complexity, shielding, and monitoring necessary to maintain it.

M/A-M reactors are old school and can be trusted to work, so their smaller vessels like ShuttleCraft would still use it.
 
I know it's not part of the official "canon" but in some licensed works it was said that the Federation used fusion reactors to power their warp engines before the discovery of dilithium. It certainly fits in better with the idea introduced in First Contact that humanity's first warp-capable craft was not an Apollo-level project conduced by a United Earth space agency, but a nuclear missile that a team of scientists converted into a spaceship in the aftermath of WW3. Where the heck is somebody in a rural Montana that's been bombed into the 19th century supposed to find antimatter, much less dilithium?
 
I excuse that by concluding that any HIGH SPEED warp travel would need dilithium and a high-energy powerplant leveraging antimatter or a quantum singularity or whatever. The Phoenix popped warp one and probably not beyond; and then the Vulcans showed up pretty much right away and could have told them that they've got quite a long road to get from here to there.

Mark
 
By the 30th century, the major powers will have spread out so far that there are very few new warp civilizations left. Most systems are part of a major power, and their ships apparently still use dilithium. Perhaps the Romulans don't exist anymore, or they gave up black hole drives after it was found too risky or too costly. The only thing that matters is that a vast Federation still used dilithium and that's why most of the ships that were around were lost. New warp civilizations that invented it after the burn could still appear.
 
I know it's not part of the official "canon" but in some licensed works it was said that the Federation used fusion reactors to power their warp engines before the discovery of dilithium. It certainly fits in better with the idea introduced in First Contact that humanity's first warp-capable craft was not an Apollo-level project conduced by a United Earth space agency, but a nuclear missile that a team of scientists converted into a spaceship in the aftermath of WW3. Where the heck is somebody in a rural Montana that's been bombed into the 19th century supposed to find antimatter, much less dilithium?
That makes sense that Warp 1-3 should be doable by Fusion Reactors.
 
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