Spoilers ST Discovery - Starships and Technology Season Three SPOILER Discussion
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But this is the Federation: they advance, we fall back...
(Although is it the Federation, if nothing from ENT S3 halfway point happens the same? Or is it some much humbler outfit that can stand aside for four centuries because it doesn't have the oomph to expand to areas where the Sphere Builders really would "encroach"?)
Timo Saloniemi
(Although is it the Federation, if nothing from ENT S3 halfway point happens the same? Or is it some much humbler outfit that can stand aside for four centuries because it doesn't have the oomph to expand to areas where the Sphere Builders really would "encroach"?)
Timo Saloniemi
DANIELS: I've brought you to a monumental moment in history, the battle of Procyon Five, where the Federation engaged the Sphere Builders.
ARCHER: The Federation? You've mentioned them before.
DANIELS: Vulcans, Andorians, Ithenites, Klingons. Dozens of species, including humans, all unified in a powerful alliance. Sphere Builders.
(The large ship is blown to smithereens.)
DANIELS: The Federation wins the battle, they drive the enemy back into their trans-dimensional realm. If the Federation had lost, the Sphere Builders would have spread throughout the galaxy. They would have wiped out everything. This species has technology which allows them to examine alternate timelines. They've seen this future and they want to change the outcome, so they contacted the Xindi and convinced them that humanity was a dangerous threat.
Yup. But how many stars in the flag of that particular Federation? It doesn't sound likely that "the" Federation would be puny enough to fail to expand to the Expanse, or for the Expanse to return the favor - but an alliance that only ever claims the space previously held by the species mentioned above could still just sort of wait it out, perhaps all the way till the 26th.
That is, assuming snail's-pace expansion: Earth was less than fifty lightyears from the border, after all. And then assuming some sort of a growth spurt: by the time of the battle, the Expanse is 50,000 ly across, while it was just 2,000 ly across back in Archer's days as far as the Vulcans knew.
Then again, what good would 400 years of war do if the Expanse expands and consumes all the homeworlds within the first hundred already? Is this Federation fighting from within the Expanse? I mean, it sorta is, in the episode...
Timo Saloniemi
That is, assuming snail's-pace expansion: Earth was less than fifty lightyears from the border, after all. And then assuming some sort of a growth spurt: by the time of the battle, the Expanse is 50,000 ly across, while it was just 2,000 ly across back in Archer's days as far as the Vulcans knew.
Then again, what good would 400 years of war do if the Expanse expands and consumes all the homeworlds within the first hundred already? Is this Federation fighting from within the Expanse? I mean, it sorta is, in the episode...
Timo Saloniemi
how would ww2 have turned out without the US joining after quite a while?
the expanse was probably not surrounded by fed territory, so they didn't go to war immediately against the builders.
all of this is speculation anyway, that's all i'm saying.
exactly
You mean your pointless speculation? We know nothing real about the E-J lineage, or about the way the much-cursed TCW might make timelines loop back and merge. Anything about the future is up for grabs.
OTOH the Trek precedent is that every future will come to pass in appropriate part - that is, those parts TPTB already paid for, such as costumes or set pieces or starship models. Which is about as much to the point as we can do on this particular field of speculation, rather overriding any timeline concerns.
Timo Saloniemi
OTOH the Trek precedent is that every future will come to pass in appropriate part - that is, those parts TPTB already paid for, such as costumes or set pieces or starship models. Which is about as much to the point as we can do on this particular field of speculation, rather overriding any timeline concerns.
Timo Saloniemi
No...my point that the Ent-J as we saw it in 'Azati Prime' was not from the prime timeline. Anything else becomes everybody else's pointless speculation.
Images from the new OP sequence, including looks at combadges, sidearms, and adorable robots!
https://trekmovie.com/2020/10/14/ch...on-3-title-sequence-and-new-character-images/
Mark
https://trekmovie.com/2020/10/14/ch...on-3-title-sequence-and-new-character-images/
Mark
Hiawatha from a flashback? Was that "the burn"?
There’s also a Hoover class in the background, although I can’t identify that Reliant-esque ship. And I hope this isn’t a flashback to the Burn, because that would mean that these ships are 1,000 years old.
Why do I have a feeling that they are though.
The Magee, if that’s actually what we saw, would have been 150 years old in PIC. The Hiawatha type and the Hoover class would be 1,000 years old by this time. That’s just completely unrealistic. I’m guessing they’re just meant to represent generic 33rd century ships and we’re supposed to ignore the similarities, just like in PIC.
Those ships look like they have been derelict for years already IMO.Hiawatha from a flashback? Was that "the burn"?
Yeah, but 1,000 years?
Starship museum?
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