Well, that would explain those ships in ‘Children of Mars’...
Spoilers ST Discovery - Starships and Technology Season Three SPOILER Discussion
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Well, that would explain those ships in ‘Children of Mars’...
"Calypso" suggests that a mid-23rd Century ship can be left alone in a nebula for centuries and be found basically intact. I feel there are lots of ways around THAT particular story if need be, but in practice, anything left in space will not spontaneously come apart at the seams.
Point being, over the centuries there could be any number of depots filled with ships of assorted eras, which could be left alone, vaguely maintained, or even forgotten due to government snafus. And when needed, they could be slapped back together for anything up to frontline duties. Also as implausible as it would seem, and how little credit the Dicovery showmakers give us nerds in picking out barely-seen starships that SHOULD narratively be rustbuckets in a Philipine breaker yard, it CAN be plausible.
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Point being, over the centuries there could be any number of depots filled with ships of assorted eras, which could be left alone, vaguely maintained, or even forgotten due to government snafus. And when needed, they could be slapped back together for anything up to frontline duties. Also as implausible as it would seem, and how little credit the Dicovery showmakers give us nerds in picking out barely-seen starships that SHOULD narratively be rustbuckets in a Philipine breaker yard, it CAN be plausible.
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There are at least two new Starfleet starships in the pilot episode.
The first appears in the debris field above Hima. Burnham passes through the ship's primary hull as she descends to Hima. It is marked with USS and NCC, but no name or registry number as far I can tell.
The second appears in the debris field near the relay station. It can be seen through the viewscreen or window of Sahil's office. It is marked with NCC.
The first appears in the debris field above Hima. Burnham passes through the ship's primary hull as she descends to Hima. It is marked with USS and NCC, but no name or registry number as far I can tell.
The second appears in the debris field near the relay station. It can be seen through the viewscreen or window of Sahil's office. It is marked with NCC.
A thousand years in a nebula, with no shields, would at least suffer hull damage. How much damage in the EPS system over that time? What about electromigration or radiation damage to the electronics?
It looks like the wrecked ship in the window is a more intact version of the ship at the very beginning of the episode. But not much more intact.
There’s also what looks like a wrecked circular saucer/primary hull with openings around the bridge dome in the first scene. This would be a different class than the other ship.
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My thoughts upon reflection - it is the same CGI element reused.
When we first see it, it is the NCC side. This side is facing Hima.
When we see it again, it is the non-NCC side. This side is facing the wormhole. Then, as Burnham and Booker's ship are falling to Hima, we see the NCC side again.
When we first see it, it is the NCC side. This side is facing Hima.
When we see it again, it is the non-NCC side. This side is facing the wormhole. Then, as Burnham and Booker's ship are falling to Hima, we see the NCC side again.
A nebula, or even a solar system, is probably not the best place if you want to keep a shieldless vessel intact. But it should be okay in open space for a thousand years. Probably even millions (although not billions) if it's far enough away from star systems and orbiting the galactic center. Billions (although maybe not trillions) if it's completely outside of any galaxy in nothingness.
Then again, the Discovery somehow picked up dust, so something was going on in there in that thousand years that would probably disintegrate the ship in another few dozen thousand years.
The funny thing is for a Nebula to be as dense as it's portrayed in the show, it should be quite rare.
Reality is that most Nebula's are far larger than they appear on our screens and we shouldn't even be able to see the gases once we are inside one.
I still remember in ST:NEM when Data gave Picard the Portable Emergency Site-to-Site Transporter pin.
And now in the 29th century, everybody seems to have the equivalent, but with a small capacitor that takes time to recharge.
Obviously the distance is limited, and you can't transport to a place you don't know for sure is not within solid matter, but it is an incredibly helpful tool.
And now in the 29th century, everybody seems to have the equivalent, but with a small capacitor that takes time to recharge.
Obviously the distance is limited, and you can't transport to a place you don't know for sure is not within solid matter, but it is an incredibly helpful tool.
I'm pretty sure that it is a flashback to "The Burn". It should be clear by now that the makers of STD and PIC have no respect for such trivial things like starship continuity.
Discovery got NCC-1031 because Fuller liked Halloween.
The roller coaster turbolift rides
Almost all ships and classes at the Battle of the Binary stars coincidentally named after (obscure) North American aviators
Magees in the late 24th century
The Klingon ships
Upscaled Constitution-class
The Inquiry-class fleet.
Discovery got NCC-1031 because Fuller liked Halloween.
The roller coaster turbolift rides
Almost all ships and classes at the Battle of the Binary stars coincidentally named after (obscure) North American aviators
Magees in the late 24th century
The Klingon ships
Upscaled Constitution-class
The Inquiry-class fleet.
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I don't understand the problem with the registry. Some ship somewhere in Star Trek must be NCC-1031, and the meta-context is just some fun trivia.
The turbolift shafts are still better than the (canonical) deck 78 in a 21 deck starship.
The Magee class and the tug in CoM were clearly mothballed ships being reactivated for the evacuation.
The Klingon D-series was clearly the unified imperial design, and the ornate ships were house-ships. The misidentification in the first season could've been an error in the translator.
The Starship-Class started out with one deck in the saucer, then it got upscaled for Star Trek, then it got upscaled again for TMP, then massively for TFF, then shrunk... etc. Discovery is just keeping in line with the proud tradition of resizing the Starship-Class in each new series.
The Inquiry-Class fleet seems like a clear response to the scattered fleets that suffered during the Dominion War. They're a happy medium between a Defiant class and a cruiser, able to be effective warships while having some capacity for non-combat missions.
The Crossfield-class is supposed to be newer than the Constitution-class, so they should've gone with a higher registry. Yes, I know there are other instances where registries don't appear to be chronological but almost all of these cases were gaffes and not intentional like 1031.
The Inquiry class is according to Riker " the toughest, fastest, most powerful ship Starfleet has ever put into service". It just wasn't credible that Starfleet would send a huge number of only this class to Coppelius. It was a loveless and cheap copy & paste job. They didn't even bother to label the Zheng He.
TPTB have consistently shown that they don't care for these kind of details, so I don't care for coming up with excuses for their laziness.
"Lower Decks" is doing a far better job in that department.
The Inquiry class is according to Riker " the toughest, fastest, most powerful ship Starfleet has ever put into service". It just wasn't credible that Starfleet would send a huge number of only this class to Coppelius. It was a loveless and cheap copy & paste job. They didn't even bother to label the Zheng He.
TPTB have consistently shown that they don't care for these kind of details, so I don't care for coming up with excuses for their laziness.
"Lower Decks" is doing a far better job in that department.
For myself, I don't know if it is laziness or how they are balancing and prioritizing items in their budgets. They get $8 to $10 million per episode. What are they doing with this money?
In the first episode, we are already seeing reused CGI elements and seeing familiar shooting locations. The previews don't promise that things will get better.
In the first episode, we are already seeing reused CGI elements and seeing familiar shooting locations. The previews don't promise that things will get better.
In DISCO S3? Have we been to Iceland before???
I am not referring to Iceland. I am referring to the filming location for the Mercantile. We have already seen it in "Brother" (USS Hiawatha interior) and "Red Angel" and "Perpetuity Infinity" (Essof IV base).
...So, where's the engine in Book's ship? The glassed-over area taking up most of the trailing edge turned out to be a covering for the cargo module. Yet Book flies on conventional dilithium, so we might want to see a bit of familiar blue glow somewhere. (Or orange glow, if the era dictates this.)
Does Book rattle off the list of alternative fuels and drive systems because those might be available for his flexifuel ships were he wealthy enough? Or merely in the sense that he'd buy ships that had those alternative drive systems if he had enough dough?
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Does Book rattle off the list of alternative fuels and drive systems because those might be available for his flexifuel ships were he wealthy enough? Or merely in the sense that he'd buy ships that had those alternative drive systems if he had enough dough?
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In my Head Canon for my 26th century, StarFleet's current era (26th century) has migrated to all Orange Bussard Collectors across ALL StarFleet vessels.
Red Bussard Collectors are considered legacy 23rd -> mid 25th century designs.
Was really amazed by what we saw about 32nd century technology in the first episode. Especially the new control panels and the new materialization/dematerialization tech. Wonder how they are supposed to work.
Could imagine that the controls have a psionic component that allows the operator by touching the screen/crystals to activate things with his mind, similar to when Sahil used his hands to draw upon the hologram of the galaxy.
And maybe the other tech might be an much more advanced replicator.
Other ideas?
By the way i am really glad that they did something new, instead of going the easy route like in Voyager. Where the timeships of the 29th century still used LCARS.
Could imagine that the controls have a psionic component that allows the operator by touching the screen/crystals to activate things with his mind, similar to when Sahil used his hands to draw upon the hologram of the galaxy.
And maybe the other tech might be an much more advanced replicator.
Other ideas?
By the way i am really glad that they did something new, instead of going the easy route like in Voyager. Where the timeships of the 29th century still used LCARS.
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