ST canon is inconsistent and contradictory.

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Trekkie27, Apr 20, 2020.

  1. Jinn

    Jinn Mistress of the Chaotic Energies Rear Admiral

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    Ohhh, is that the UNIT Dating controversy?
     
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  2. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    That's it, yep.
     
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  3. FederationHistorian

    FederationHistorian Commander Red Shirt

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    It could be one day, if a Short Trek is done based on her captaincy of the Ent-B. Can set it 25-30 years after the events in Generations.
     
  4. JonnyQuest037

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    Possible but not terribly likely, IMO. And it still wouldn't make any of the books featuring Demora Sulu as Captain canon, just the fact that she became Captain of the Enterprise-B. The movies incorporated the names Winona Kirk, George Kirk, Hikaru Sulu, and Nyota Uhura from various ST books, but it didn't instantly make those books canon. Just those particular names.
     
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  5. fireproof78

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    See, this is where my view diverges. I don't need the Lit-Verse to be canon, and it doesn't need a short Trek to be an enjoyable story. Just let the books exist and don't feel the need to shoehorn in everything.
     
  6. Noname Given

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    Because per Paramount - you can't have a Star Trek film without Klingons. (Even Star Trek II has the simulator scene where the ship and crew are destroyed by Klingon D-7's) ;)
     
  7. diankra

    diankra Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Canon is what's onscreen. Continuity is a different matter.
     
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  8. diankra

    diankra Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Terrance was never producer He was script editor from 68 to 74, and yep, that was his attitude.
     
  9. diankra

    diankra Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Oh, and have a watch. Nice thing is that if you don't like that Doctor, you can watch another one.
     
  10. JonnyQuest037

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    Yeah, but that was more about saving money by recycling existing footage from TMP than it was about having the Klingons in the movie in some fashion.
     
  11. Forbin

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    Those were K'Tingas :)
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  12. drt

    drt Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Agreed. With how little it's been used formally, it's really more a fanon explanation for continuity differences.
    It's sort of weird why they felt the need to make the UNIT stories with Pertwee and Baker take place several years into the future. I haven't watched any of the Pertwee stuff for over 35 years, but I don't recall anything that was particularly "futuristic" that they'd need to explain away - unless there is astronaut/space mission stuff I've forgotten.
     
  13. Mytran

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    I think there were some alien attacks, slightly futuristic inventions or otherwise slightly "heightened" technology which are more easily explained if set 5 minutes into the future.
    There was also BBC3
     
  14. The Wormhole

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    It was rather noticeable in the early Pertwee stories. Ambassadors of Death in particular Britain is operating space freighters. IIRC, there's also a story in which video communications are a regular thing. The idea was to be futuristic enough that society could be advanced with technology not currently existing, but close enough so that society could still be somewhat recognizable. But then the recognizable society part won out and everyone just assumed it was supposed to be contemporary times anyway. The whole idea was based in part on a throwaway line from the Troughton story Web of Fear, a seemingly contemporary story (meaning it would have been set in the 1960s when it aired) which refers to the 1930s as "forty years ago."
     
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  15. 1001001

    1001001 I Like the Nightlife, Baby! Moderator

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    Are we talking about Star Trek or Inspector Spacetime in here?

    :shrug:
     
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  16. JonnyQuest037

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    I personally much prefer the original Blorgon makeup.
     
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  17. C57D

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    And the CyberBorg costumes too !!
     
  18. ichab

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    Are we talking the same Star Wars that changes its movies every time they are released on home video?
    -First it's Star Wars, then it's Star Wars Episode 4: A New Hope.
    -First Han shoots first, then Greedo shoots first, then they both fire at the same time, but greedo misses his target that is right in front of him,
    -Boba Fett's voice has changed between two different actors
    - first Luke selflessly jumps off committing suicide, next release he's screaming like a girl while falling, next release he is back to no longer screaming
    -first Vader threw the Emporer down the shaft, then in the last release he yelled NOOOOOOO before picking him up to toss him....This is just a few of the numerous changes done by the one guy who had the reigns for three decades. The Star wars novels contradicted themselves numerous times and even those were all thrown down the garbage chute when Disney took over. So now they are rewriting the canon all over again.




    Star Wars is many things. "Consistent" is not one of them.

    Ps: Not saying that Star Trek is any better as it's been debated online ever since the internet was invented. But using Star Wars as a model of consistency is insane.
     
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  19. Trekkie27

    Trekkie27 Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    Good point. But, aside from the first two points you made, the others are just cosmetic dressing. The TOS Klingons and those after are also cosmetic dressing, but they were major, major changes to what that alien species was like.

    As for Vader throwing Palpatine down the shaft, it's only a small matter as to whether he shouted "Nooo" or not.
     
  20. The Old Mixer

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