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SPOILERS - Why do shows keep ending like this?

Dac

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LOST and Ashes to Ashes had the same ending pretty much. Seriously, I can't believe this. Yeah, its probably an accident, but the two shows finishing within 3 days of each other and they both have the EXACT SAME twist to them? At least A2A started up with the whole "One second away from life, One second away from death" thing. LOST just felt like a cheap rip off out of the left field. Urgh.
 
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Re: SPOILERS - *IDENTICAL* to Ashes to Ashes.

Well I had A2A taped, but thanks for ruining the ending for me.
 
Re: SPOILERS - *IDENTICAL* to Ashes to Ashes.

"It turns out they've been dead all along" is a big, trite cliché. Something doesn't get to be cliché unless it pops up a lot, particularly when writers run out of creativity or paint themselves into a corner. That said, I don't know the show of which you speak, so I can't say if that was as terrible a move there as it was for Lost.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
Re: SPOILERS - *IDENTICAL* to Ashes to Ashes.

"It was all a dream", "computer, end program", "wake up, Neo, and smell the Matrix", "they were dead all along"........ I'm starting to get veeeeeerrrrryyyy bored with these "everything you know is wrong" type stories. <yawn!>
 
Re: SPOILERS - *IDENTICAL* to Ashes to Ashes.

You know theres not much point putting spoiler in the title when the title is the spoiler.
 
Re: SPOILERS - *IDENTICAL* to Ashes to Ashes.

"It turns out they've been dead all along" is a big, trite cliché. Something doesn't get to be cliché unless it pops up a lot, particularly when writers run out of creativity or paint themselves into a corner. That said, I don't know the show of which you speak, so I can't say if that was as terrible a move there as it was for Lost.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

Huh? They weren't dead all along; Christian explained pretty clearly that everything on the island was real.
 
Re: SPOILERS - *IDENTICAL* to Ashes to Ashes.

You know theres not much point putting spoiler in the title when the title is the spoiler.

yep, those of us who know how A2A ended but are not caught up on Lost (or vice versa) are now fucked.

Here's hoping Thrawn's right that the OP has misinterpreted things, so that I may yet be surprised by the actual outcome
 
Re: SPOILERS - *IDENTICAL* to Ashes to Ashes.

"It turns out they've been dead all along" is a big, trite cliché. Something doesn't get to be cliché unless it pops up a lot, particularly when writers run out of creativity or paint themselves into a corner. That said, I don't know the show of which you speak, so I can't say if that was as terrible a move there as it was for Lost.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

Huh? They weren't dead all along; Christian explained pretty clearly that everything on the island was real.

Exactly. They weren't "dead all along". Actually, if you wanna pick something they borrowed an ending from, they used Titanic more than anything. They were all waiting in purgatory for each other as they died, so they could move on as a group. All lived out their lives first, just waited there before moving on. The "flash sideways" was basically a waste, though, just their own holodeck diversion to waste time while everyone caught up...
 
Re: SPOILERS - *IDENTICAL* to Ashes to Ashes.

I honestly enjoyed Ashes to Ashes finale a lot more than lost's,

spoilers about ashes to ashes and lost finales encase people haven't seen them

"I felt that they both looked at death and had a similar ending with a door leading somewehre with bright white light also the other similarites of gene hunt and keates almost playing a similar role to Jacob/Jack and Locke however i feel that ashes to ashes handled this a lot better and there were a lot more answers in ashes to ashes than lost and i was a lot more satisfied by the ending of ashes to ashes."
 
Re: SPOILERS - *IDENTICAL* to Ashes to Ashes.

Apologies for the spoilers, I posted this at 6 am after waking up at 4 - not the clearest of minds there, add on that my rather shocking distaste for the finale and you get a recipe for disaster. I am truly sorry for spoiling A2A and Lost for you people.

I know its probably too late, but if a mod could change the title to what I changed my OP too, that will be much appreciated.
 
This is the first time I've heard of "Ashes to Ashes," and every time I see A2A I think of Jennifer Connelly in Requiem for a Dream.
 
I've seen both and think Lost's finale was far better than Ashes to Ashes. Lost was about the characters and their redemption. Ashes to Ashes was mostly just about a glorification of Gene Hunt

That opinion aside, I was surprised that both shows dealt with character created purgatories and neither explained how those purgatories were created.
 
Re: SPOILERS - *IDENTICAL* to Ashes to Ashes.

"It turns out they've been dead all along" is a big, trite cliché. Something doesn't get to be cliché unless it pops up a lot, particularly when writers run out of creativity or paint themselves into a corner. That said, I don't know the show of which you speak, so I can't say if that was as terrible a move there as it was for Lost.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

Except... they weren't dead all along.
 
Re: SPOILERS - *IDENTICAL* to Ashes to Ashes.

^ Are you people being deliberately dense? Obviously I'm talking about the flash-sideways, not the island.

Lost had two endings, appropriately enough since as of this season there were now two stories running concurrently: the main universe on the island, and the new reality spawned when the bomb when off (except that rather than actually be that, which was interesting, it turns out they're in some kind of posthumous limbo dimension, which is stupid as fuck). The island story ended in a fairly thematically appropriate fashion, though frustratingly absent answers. The other story ended in a massive cliché ("they were dead all along") that rendered everything that came before it (in that storyline) inconsequential and irrelevant.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
^?

There was only one ending. "It only ends once...everything else is progress"

All the nuke did was send them to 2007 time.

The sideways was their meeting place. Once they were all there (some died before Jack, some after) they could move on.
 
Re: SPOILERS - *IDENTICAL* to Ashes to Ashes.

The island story ended in a fairly thematically appropriate fashion, though frustratingly absent answers.
No denouement, either. The Ajira plane flew away and Jack died, fade out. The time we should have spent exploring the real-life consequences of the past three years was wasted on the fantasy universe. I guess this is where someone tells me "Lost wasn't about X, it was about the characters!" Well, I liked the characters, and I wanted to see how their experiences changed them and what they became. All I got was that they eventually died and were reset to their 2004-2007 personalities and memories.
 
Well isn't that interesting? Someone posts a so-called spoiler, creating an entire thread about it, and the mod happily posts in the thread. Yet the same mod hands out warnings like tic-tacs in other threads for doing the exact same thing.

Biased, no?

And to stay on topic, the writers do it because they are lazy and have nothing else to give us. The end of Lost was a great big "we got nothing, so here's a bunny with a pancake on its head" to the fans. I don't know about Ashes to Ashes, as I've not heard about it til this thread.
 
Although there are weird aspects of the Flashfterlife Universe, I don't think that it was a fantasy or that it was meaningless.

First of all, I don't think it's a fantasy because it was real to the characters. What I mean is, it was something that they were really experiencing after their deaths. Now, could they die in this world too? Probably not. Maybe that's what makes it less real. But it's still a place where interactions are clearly really happening.

Secondly, the Flashfterlife stories throughout season six resolve, for the most part, very important thematic issues these characters have dealt with since the beginning. I'll give you an example by telling you the story of Jack, the way I've interpreted it:

Jack is born to a surgeon dad who is very hard on his son. He grows up being told that he doesn't have what it takes, that he'll never be a good leader, basically that he's not good enough. This, understandably, leads to some pretty severe father issues that follow him for the rest of his life. He also has a great need to prove himself by fixing everything that he sees is wrong in his life, his friends' lives, his family's lives.

Jack becomes a surgeon and marries. He gets wrapped up in his job, probably because he's still trying to prove to his Dad that he "has what it takes." He loses the marriage and begins to fall into the same alcoholism that his Dad is entrenched in.

Christian dies and Jack goes to find him, haunted by the fact that things were never resolved between him and his Dad, especially after he got his Dad fired for being drunk while surgery.

Jack crashes on the Island and proceeds to continue being a control freak, both trying to not be the leader but also unable to keep himself from becoming one, still trying to prove himself capable of such a task. He gets a small group off of the Island, but this doesn't fix his life nor their lives. He gets everyone back to the Island and tries to set off a nuclear bomb in the ultimate fix. This doesn't work and kills a close friend.

Jack finally learns to let go and steps into his role as Jacob, sacrificing himself so his friends can get away. Jack dies.

But he dies still unresolved on his father issues. He still has deep seated insecurities on how he would perform as a Dad and is haunted by the various relational failures in his life. He has a son in this life. A son who he learns to connect with, and they begin to develop a solid bond. The last thing that was missing in his life is resolved.

Jack moves on and lets go.


The same character resolution can be seen with Ben (reversing his choice and saving Alex metaphorically, probably the biggest thing he continued to regret throughout his life as Hurley's number two), Sawyer (destined to be alone, as his speech to Kate in What Kate Does demonstrates, only to find Juliet again in the afterlife), Desmond (finally getting a taste of Widmore's approval, realizing he's already an honourable, self-confident man who has the love of a beautiful woman and giving up Widmore for good), and so on.
 
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