SPOILERS - Why do shows keep ending like this?

[Trent Roman]

There was only one ending. "It only ends once...everything else is progress"

The storyline on the island ended with a bunch of people having escaped, Hurley and Ben staying behind as minders, and Jack dying. The storyline off-island ended with everybody in the church, Jack's dad walking off into the light, and the rest waiting to die (again, somehow).

Now, arithmetic has never been my strong point, but I'm fairly certain that 1+1=2. Back me up, Count von Count. "Vone, two--two endings! Bwahaha."

I am changing my signature soon because I am sick of hearing oh they were dead all along.



NO, Christian made it clear everything that happened did happen and when you die no matter when you came to the sideway verse.

Hey, buddy, check your own comprehension skills before you start tossing aspersions at others. "They were dead all along" refers specifically to the ending of the alternate storyline we've been watching half this season.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

[Tulin]

If the island WAS real then where are all the answers?

I just hate that you haven't been in the forum for a year, but made sure to come and gripe about the finale

Sorry, I didn't know I had to check with you before posting in different forums.

... actually looking back through your posts, all of them are about something you hate: Avatar, Star Trek, Lost, BSG, ALL Cop/Doctor/Lawyer Shows, Supernatural, Sisko, Flash Gordon, Blu-Ray, 3D,.

Somebody is taking a little too much of an unhealthy interest in me.

Unless you're cute and work out more than three times per week, consider me not interested!

 

[pookha]

I am changing my signature soon because I am sick of hearing oh they were dead all along.



NO, Christian made it clear everything that happened did happen and when you die no matter when you came to the sideway verse.

why take christian and what he said as what is.
how often have we heard things on the show that wasnt as said.

that scene in the church with christian and the others could have easily still been part of jack's dying delusion.

i mean why would christian appear to tell him that.

ant that it was purgatory in the alt world still has issues considering what desmond seemed to connect with.
it wasnt his death for sure.
but rather there was someone he was supposed to be with there.. there was something else.

 

[OmahaStar]

Unless you're cute and work out more than three times per week, consider me not interested!

He's SO not your type!

 

[Trippy]

^?

There was only one ending. "It only ends once...everything else is progress"

All the nuke did was send them to 2007 time.

The sideways was their meeting place. Once they were all there (some died before Jack, some after) they could move on.

Trippy, I understand your (and several people have made the same) point. However, it still doesn't make sense. In a way station, why do you get all the characters to lead an alternate life, until they start recalling things based on chance encounters? It's the afterlife waystation, there's no chronology to the events - so why does every character come up with an "alternate" life and then need to be "awakened" from it with near-death or intense experiences? Why would a way-station function that way alone? What is the significance to them all assembling in the church? Are they there to see Jack off or are they all "leaving" at the same point? In which case, why is Locke not with Helen? Or is the Helen storyline just a construct for him in the waystation?

In which case, all Juliet does as a construct is marry Jack, have a kid and separate from Jack and meet people at vending machines? I'm sorry (for myself primarily since I can't seem to derive enjoyment from it) but I call that lame.

And I, for one, am not opposed to the spiritual side of things. I wasn't put off by it. But I need more of an explanation. If the creators of the show are going to show me a spiritual way station, I want some examination of the concept. And I can't seem to see it (so far).

They, in the altafteruniverse had to 'work' out some things before 'leaving' .

Jack had to work out: 1. his daddy issues (so he became a father who had a difficult relationship with his son-eventually working it out) and 2. his guilt over Juliet's death. So he married her.

Sawyer had to work out: 1. his mother/father's death and the man he became because of it. (he stated, a criminal or a cop-he became a cop here) and 2. Being alone versus letting someone in to love and commit to (Kate literally crashed into his life (and car!) and then found Juliet.

Kate had to work out: 1. The murder of her step dad (real dad) and became 'innocent' and 2. Her relationship with Claire/Aaron, whom she delivered again (I would add 3. the men in her life, but that, I think, was dealt with on island)

I could go on with all the characters, but you get my point.

I am changing my signature soon because I am sick of hearing oh they were dead all along.



NO, Christian made it clear everything that happened did happen and when you die no matter when you came to the sideway verse.

why take christian and what he said as what is.
how often have we heard things on the show that wasnt as said.

that scene in the church with christian and the others could have easily still been part of jack's dying delusion.

i mean why would christian appear to tell him that.

ant that it was purgatory in the alt world still has issues considering what desmond seemed to connect with.
it wasnt his death for sure.
but rather there was someone he was supposed to be with there.. there was something else.

It was the finale. I'm going to take Christian at his word by this point in the game

Why Christian appeared? It was supposed to be his funeral (Jack says, this is where my father's funeral is supposed to be).

 

[Temis the Vorta]

"It turns out they've been dead all along" is a big, trite cliché. Something doesn't get to be cliché unless it pops up a lot,

Yep. I've seen it used often enough that I managed to guess that was what they were going for (and said so in this forum), not based on any clues in the show itself (I didn't notice any that pointed towards the afterlife in particular) so much as just from watching a lot of TV and movies.

 

[Starbreaker]

He's SO not your type!

Oh please, you hit on me for about three years.


And there's another thought.... the bomb actually went off and everyone was given a better life, and Jack just chose to interpret all of this as the afterlife while he was given glimpses of it while dying. Entirely plausible.

 

[Jax]

There was only one ending. "It only ends once...everything else is progress"

The storyline on the island ended with a bunch of people having escaped, Hurley and Ben staying behind as minders, and Jack dying. The storyline off-island ended with everybody in the church, Jack's dad walking off into the light, and the rest waiting to die (again, somehow).

Now, arithmetic has never been my strong point, but I'm fairly certain that 1+1=2. Back me up, Count von Count. "Vone, two--two endings! Bwahaha."

I am changing my signature soon because I am sick of hearing oh they were dead all along.



NO, Christian made it clear everything that happened did happen and when you die no matter when you came to the sideway verse.

Hey, buddy, check your own comprehension skills before you start tossing aspersions at others. "They were dead all along" refers specifically to the ending of the alternate storyline we've been watching half this season.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

I had other forum/websites comments from people saying they think ever since season 1 they have all been dead, its just bugging me thats all cause I don't know where they get it from.

As for season 6 no problem with it because what else was it supposed to be ? being some sort of reset where they live there normal lives somhow would of been lame.

 

[Starbreaker]

This is probably coming from the people who have seen about five episodes and were playing Call of Duty while watching the finale.

 

[OmahaStar]

He's SO not your type!

Oh please, you hit on me for about three years.

What's your point? lol

 

[Trent Roman]

As for season 6 no problem with it because what else was it supposed to be ? being some sort of reset where they live there normal lives somhow would of been lame.

It was lame--after a few episodes of watching them go about their lives, without anything to anchor these events to the broader mythology, I was pretty bored of the flashsideways. I was thrilled when we got to the Desmond episode and it seemed like the two storylines were indeed connected. How is not something I can addresss--it would have been something intrinsically tied to the mystery of the island, and since that didn't get solved, then I can't speak to the rest of it (although my running theory, until this afterlife copout, had been quantum entanglement).

Sadly, that astonishingly brain-dead ending made the entire half-season spent there not only even more removed from the main story than before, but utterly irrelevant in and of itself.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

 

[Python Trek]

Because the writers dig themselves into a hole, can't get out, and come up with some spiritual non-sense as an easy exit.

Spirituality is not non sense to a lot of people.

Quite true, but to some of us, it is the worst kind of nonsense. It's the kind of nonsense that kills.

 

[T'Bonz]

Well isn't that interesting? Someone posts a so-called spoiler, creating an entire thread about it, and the mod happily posts in the thread. Yet the same mod hands out warnings like tic-tacs in other threads for doing the exact same thing.

Biased, no?

No. And don't push your luck. My patience only goes so far and you're right on that edge lately.

 

[The]

Logical fallacy - argument from antiquity.

Not at all. Logically, spirituality is far older than you, so like scientists trying to "prove" there's no "God", it's hilarious to watch the human monkeys clamor for meaning they can comprehend, versus the reasoning and faith it takes to accept the universe cannot be defined in any legitimate way solely by science alone.

It's also responsible for the worst attrocities against fellow man. But this isn't the place to discuss that.

Pol Pot was religious? The Holocaust was about spirituality? Ha! Nah. Spirituality isn't perfect, and it isn't organized religion. So. I think you're accessing your hyperbole program.

And yeah, "We got nothing so here's some white light and mystical mumbo jumbo bullshit" is a shitty way to end a tv show.

ALways has been and always will be.

If you say so. But, then again, LOST has been about "white light" and "mystical mumbo jumbo bullshit". So, given that the ending fit the entire series, you should probably just stick to watching hard science fiction. That will give you all the "answers" you're craving...

 

[The]

Because the writers dig themselves into a hole, can't get out, and come up with some spiritual non-sense as an easy exit.

Spirituality is not non sense to a lot of people.

Quite true, but to some of us, it is the worst kind of nonsense. It's the kind of nonsense that kills.

No, spirituality does not kill people, ignorance kills people. People kill people. If your spirituality requests that you end innocent lives, then it's not spirituality. It's a set of rules created by man to empower some and oppress others. But, don't blame the symptoms on the concept. Man corrupts it.

 

[Python Trek]

Spirituality is not non sense to a lot of people.

Quite true, but to some of us, it is the worst kind of nonsense. It's the kind of nonsense that kills.

No, spirituality does not kill people, ignorance kills people. People kill people. If your spirituality requests that you end innocent lives, then it's not spirituality. It's a set of rules created by man to empower some and oppress others. But, don't blame the symptoms on the concept. Man corrupts it.

That's only true if you believe in The Magic Man in the Sky, which I don't.

 

[Delta1]

That's really a non sequitur. The truth value of The's last post isn't dependent on the belief in a god.

 

[Python Trek]

That's really a non sequitur. The truth value of The's last post isn't dependent on the belief in a god.

Feel free to disagree with me, but what I said is not a non sequitur.

 

[Dac]

To hijack my own thread...

I rewatched the finale, and rewatched it again. Ok, so I finally get it all - I know everyone was saying it straight after, but hey, "Don't tell me what I can't do!" - Or something like that.

Anyways....I like it. Everything on the Island I adore, its just the whole meeting place thing was out of the left field which seemed a bit of a cop out when the show has prided itself on six seasons of mystery. It didn't particularly feel like a natural end point to me, but hey, its an ending. Yes, I was rash at flipping out and claiming it to be a last minute rip off Ashes to Ashes - but there is a similarity there, it was just silly of me to base all my rants on the finale on it.

I suppose I loved Ashes to Ashes ending (and to bring in another bag of worms, Battlestar Galactica's) because they/it made something out of what they had set up for the past x amount of seasons, so they felt like they were part of the whole story, whereas with this LOST ending, weve got a massive chunk - then this huge missing gap and another little ending tacked on which is only there to "service the characters" and in doing so is a disservice to everything them characters went though.

Again, comparing it to BSG and Ashes to Ashes - the characters at the end of those shows are not the same characters that were in the pilots, whereas the meeting place element of lost was seemingly based around taking the "developed" characters back to what they were at the end of season 1 and going so far as to say thats all these people wanted to be. And that to my mind is akin to wasting at least the last season of the show if not more on character development which was meaningless to the characters themselves.


But hey, thats all my own beef - and thats only with the meeting place aspect, like I said, everything on the island was great, especially with Jack's "death" in the bamboo forest and the Ajira plane flying away - That was a great ending to the show, and I guess thats the one I should remember and cherish.