*Spoilers* U.S.S. Franklin Design?
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USS Franklin. Three decks on the outside. INFINITY decks on the inside
USS Franklin. Three decks on the outside. INFINITY decks on the inside
They pinched the technology from the episode "Future Tense"
Or who ever designed this ship was related to the guy who designed the 78 deck heigh turbolift on the Enterprise-A in TFF.
Both shafts are triangular in shape...coincidence?
From what I've read on Facebook and in interviews with Sean Hargreaves, so much changed during the film's somewhat rushed production, including the size of the Franklin. I suspect the shaft interior was designed when it's interior was 6-7 decks tall. Sean's acknowledged the shaft as a discrepancy, as well as the Franklin growing much larger once it enters the Yorktown docking tubes (presumably Lin thought it looked better), not having a shuttlebay, etc
And yes, I too thought of the STV shaft's shape when I first saw it!
And yes, I too thought of the STV shaft's shape when I first saw it!
Does anyone know how many ENT crew survived the swarm attack? The Franklin is petty tiny and we only see what, three transports of 20 crew members each from the mines? The party at the end is fairly small too compared to the 400 crew TOS ENT had, and since the Kelvin Ent is so much bigger you'd assume the crew is also much larger.
The only references I know of for the Kelvin Enterprise crew compliment is 400 from the non-final draft of the ST'09 script floating about the net, and 1100 from the old "Experience the Enterprise" holographic website thingie.
Either more groups were beamed up between the ones we saw (and squished into the cargo section like sardines) or Kirk lost the vast majority of his crew.
Either more groups were beamed up between the ones we saw (and squished into the cargo section like sardines) or Kirk lost the vast majority of his crew.
Seems to me to be the latter, which makes how happy everyone is a little disconcerting.
I'd be pretty happy to have survived and see my crew mates that survived and I'd be happy to have saved Yorktown.
So you may believe, but science tells us otherwise.
Trek paid lip service to the mental and emotional damage done by survivors guilt and PTSD in '09 and had some examination in DS9 (plus numerous psychiatrists, psychologists, and counsellors appearing on the various shows) but that makes every other moment where no indication of emotional issues from mass death, abduction, imprisonment, and torture worse, because those other moments show that these conditions do exist in the Trek universe and a simple toast /speech at the end of a film doesn't cure them. The fact that nobody suffers from them in Beyond implies that either being a psychopath is a requirement among Starfleet personal, which isn't likely from their other actions, or the Federation uses such powerful drugs on many of its inhabitants that bad feeling are pretty much outlawed in the Kelvinverse. Both ideas are pretty horrifying.
Well the Federation is all seeing and all knowing, even in the TNG verse........ They seem to know where anyone is at any point in time on Earth so mass surveillance must be the norm.
They all wear badges on their chests so that the people in charge can track their every movement and physical condition
And can scan and detect a single person in billions from orbit, with imaging tech to view and record every action.
It's a pretty totalitarian society if you think about it, but one that's quite possible with our own continuing sacrifice of privacy (if you're not doing anything bad, why do you care) for security.
They all wear badges on their chests so that the people in charge can track their every movement and physical condition
And can scan and detect a single person in billions from orbit, with imaging tech to view and record every action.
It's a pretty totalitarian society if you think about it, but one that's quite possible with our own continuing sacrifice of privacy (if you're not doing anything bad, why do you care) for security.
If you think about the Federation too closely it's a scary world. Indeed
I thought we'd known that since episodes like "The Doomsday Machine" and "The Changeling" ended with Kirk, Spock and McCoy sharing a joke on the bridge right after billions and billions of deaths.
It is also quite possible that most of the crew stayed on Yorktown while the Enterprise went into the nebula. But I do wish they'd acknowledged the crew losses a bit more. While I liked the light-heartedness of Beyond, it doesn't quite go with the dark and serious events we see. Although as King Daniel points out is is somewhat consistent with TOS.
That's actually a great point about members of the crew remaining at Yorktown.
Remember that we're supposed to be dealing with an advanced society that, I imagine, has dealt with the nature of depression and trauma quite extensively. One of Roddenberry's precepts for TNG was that humans no longer mourn death, accepting it as a natural part of life.
It seems like neuroscience and psychology as they exist now would advance to a point of treating serious trauma without necessarily blocking or inhibiting normal emotions.
Remember that we're supposed to be dealing with an advanced society that, I imagine, has dealt with the nature of depression and trauma quite extensively. One of Roddenberry's precepts for TNG was that humans no longer mourn death, accepting it as a natural part of life.
It seems like neuroscience and psychology as they exist now would advance to a point of treating serious trauma without necessarily blocking or inhibiting normal emotions.
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