Spoilers Spoiler-ish Q&A - Star Trek Beyond

[Hythlodeus]

Personally, I'm pro-spoilers and always will be. Were I to find the entire script right now, I would read it. Spoilers don't ruin a movie, if that were the case we could never re-watch anything.

exactly. different people have different views on spoilers. Personally I love them. It gives you a good idea about the movie before you see it so you can concentrate on the little things and details. others prefer not to be spoiled. I get that.
What I don't get, however, is the urge to stop people posting in this thread, when they obviously do so on their own free will.

 

[Nyotarules]

If readers do not want to read about spoilers I suggest they avoid a thread that has has the word 'spoiler' in it. I am the type of person who reads the last chapter of a book and still enjoys reading the story. I like spoilers and it does not damage my fun!

 

[Lakenheath 72]

I believe it would be difficult for Paramount to enforce the spoiler ban for this film, as many fans are veiled behind the e-personalities they create for themselves for interacting with the Internet community.

People who have seen the film are enforcing the ban onto themselves. The film premiered the last week, and the story, plot, and character arcs have not been revealed. Some details have been released; however, they have not been revelatory for the story, plot, and character arcs.

 

[Dales]

I predict that RT and Metacritic scores will be on par with Star Trek XI - 95% on RT, 80-90 on Metacritic.

My personal belief is that it's the strongest of the three films both as a standalone story and as a "Star Trek" film. I'm confident that the early reviews will be glowing for the film - so I'm predicting that an incredibly strong opening weekend (helped by small scale or mediocre competition like Ghostbusters: Axanar), the Rihanna partnership, and a HUGE push into China and the other East Asian markets (it's co-produced by Alibaba and Huahua Media), will put Star Trek Beyond into the region of US$400-$500m at the international box office. In comparison, Star Trek XI took some US$385m.

thank you and I hope you are right. I don't want the rt score to deep below 85 or worse 80.

 

[stardream]

I like spoilers. I always have and they have never lessened the enjoyment of anything for me. I think maybe the brains of spoiler-holics are just wired a bit differently.

 

[Kruezerman]

Did they change the transporter vfx?

 

[RAMA]

I've never seen what the big fuss about spoilers is...tv and movies are a visual and auditory medium, and reading about a movie isn't the same as watching it.

 

[Overgeeked]

Awesome. Thanks for the hints and spoilers.

I just hope it's better than the last one.

 

[Botany Bay]

I believe it would be difficult for Paramount to enforce the spoiler ban for this film, as many fans are veiled behind the e-personalities they create for themselves for interacting with the Internet community.

People who have seen the film are enforcing the ban onto themselves. The film premiered the last week, and the story, plot, and character arcs have not been revealed. Some details have been released; however, they have not been revelatory for the story, plot, and character arcs.

All the contracts signed at the premiere as a condition of entry were collected. They explicitly stated reviews and revealing details about this film are expressly forbidden, and went on in great length about potential remedies for breaching said contract. Read the half page of legalese on the back of the invite if you don't believe me.

Even if you take the view Paramount won't sue a fan for breach of contract (very brave in light of recent events), you are violating the wishes of Paramount not to have details of their movie discussed online till the 21st. Put yourself in their shoes. What a display of gratitude it is when a company goes out of their way spending huge money to make fans feel like stars for a day, allowing red carpet access, food, drinks, celeb chats, and a free screening, and all they ask in return is attendees keep their mouth shut for two weeks. We can't even manage that.

I wonder if ignoring an embargo will make Paramount more likely to invite fans to something like this in the future? I thought Trek fans were supposed to put the needs of the many ahead of their own. Guess not.

I slept on returning to this thread. But none of these rationalizations about spoiler codes, promises about revealing only "minor" details (who's to say what "minor" is here anyway?), embargoes applying only to media companies, are factually or morally correct.

After the 21st, when the embargo ends, knock yourself out, ruin every minute of the film if that gives you gratification, but till then, this thread is just plain wrong.

 

[Overgeeked]

Actual question for the OP.

How much does Spock scream and punch things?

 

[M'Sharak]

All the contracts signed at the premiere as a condition of entry were collected. They explicitly stated reviews and revealing details about this film are expressly forbidden, and went on in great length about potential remedies for breaching said contract. Read the half page of legalese on the back of the invite if you don't believe me.

(emphasis mine)

Love to. Would you be able to send me a copy of that half-page or could you direct me to an online page containing the text in question? I've not been able to locate it on my own.

I have a very basic understanding of what is prohibited and what is permitted under the review embargo, but more complete information is nearly always a good thing.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Maybe it's not a warp recalibration. The NX Enterprise was technically a prototype. Perhaps they found issues with the engines during its nine years out that caused Starfleet to decide that Warp 4 engines were more stable for mass production.

That or it was cheaper to mass produce ships with warp 4 engines, while reserving the warp 5 engines for the fancy ships.

 

[Mudd]

I thought Trek fans were supposed to....

Just a futile way to begin a sentence, sorry.

 

[AndyPandy]

All the contracts signed at the premiere as a condition of entry were collected. They explicitly stated reviews and revealing details about this film are expressly forbidden, and went on in great length about potential remedies for breaching said contract. Read the half page of legalese on the back of the invite if you don't believe me.

I'm actually confident they don't have my signature on any piece of paper - or even my name recorded except as "Guest" (there were a few ways to get tickets besides Telstra) - but I haven't reviewed anything beyond saying "it was awesome" and giving a MetaCritic/RT prediction. NOTHING here constitutes anything contract breaching anyway.

 

[AndyPandy]

How much does Spock scream and punch things?

Less than STID.

 

[The Wormhole]

But none of these rationalizations about spoiler codes, promises about revealing only "minor" details (who's to say what "minor" is here anyway?),

Seriously, there's still a huge swath of what the movie is about that's still unknown, the stuff that actually is significant to the plot. Are you really suggesting that knowing Spock Prime is dead, Carol Marcus isn't in the movie or mentioned, or various technical details related to the Franklin before the movie's release is going to ruin the viewing experience?

I wonder if ignoring an embargo will make Paramount more likely to invite fans to something like this in the future?

Paramount knew when they put this little wine and cheese on that someone was going to talk, despite whatever legal jargon was in place requesting their silence. That's human nature, and if anyone at Paramount really thought nothing from the movie was going to be posted online, then they were being unrealistically naïve and deserve to have their worldview shattered.

And such promises haven't prevented everyone in the fucking world talking about the revelation Sulu is gay. And that is everywhere, all over the internet, on TV on newspapers, the only place I haven't heard it is on the radio, and that's only because I haven't been listening to the radio in the past few days.

The gay Sulu story is huge, and you know what? Not once has Paramount approached anyone with the news on their sites and said "Could y'all remove that spoiler off your site? It's from a movie that hasn't been released yet and the ones who have seen it promised they wouldn't blab." That is their right, and the major legitimate news companies would be required to obey. They haven't, and indeed even CBS News, which is owned by the same company as Paramount is running a story about gay Sulu or more accurately Takei's reaction to it. CBS News is one source who would have to bow to Paramount's wishes and couldn't try to use the "Freedom of the Press" shield. If they're posting spoilers from the movie, Paramount doesn't care.

I thought Trek fans were supposed to put the needs of the many ahead of their own.

Sweet shit, Star Trek is not a religion, its fans are not required to live their lives exactly according to its teachings. And even so, the needs of the many VS the needs of the few applies to bigger, important matters, not movie spoilers. Get some damn perspective.

 

[photon70]

And such promises haven't prevented everyone in the fucking world talking about the revelation Sulu is gay. And that is everywhere, all over the internet, on TV on newspapers, the only place I haven't heard it is on the radio, and that's only because I haven't been listening to the radio in the past few days.

The gay Sulu story is huge, and you know what? Not once has Paramount approached anyone with the news on their sites and said "Could y'all remove that spoiler off your site? It's from a movie that hasn't been released yet and the ones who have seen it promised they wouldn't blab." That is their right, and the major legitimate news companies would be required to obey. They haven't, and indeed even CBS News, which is owned by the same company as Paramount is running a story about gay Sulu or more accurately Takei's reaction to it. CBS News is one source who would have to bow to Paramount's wishes and couldn't try to use the "Freedom of the Press" shield. If they're posting spoilers from the movie, Paramount doesn't care.

Sweet shit, Star Trek is not a religion, its fans are not required to live their lives exactly according to its teachings. And even so, the needs of the many VS the needs of the few applies to bigger, important matters, not movie spoilers. Get some damn perspective.

I respectfully disagree.

The news that Sulu is gay came from TV interviews that Cho did during the Australian premiere.

The one piece of news that Australian newspapers were able to report on was Sulu is gay. No other details were released.

It was a deliberate piece of marketing on the studio's part to generate buzz which has worked!

 

[TheMartian]

Thanks Andy.
Just bumping this question because I'm also curious:

spoiler question

where the rumours true that spock wanted to leave the enterprise and join what was left of the vulcan people and even take a vulcan wife?

 

[Therin of Andor]

I'm actually confident they don't have my signature on any piece of paper - or even my name recorded except as "Guest" (there were a few ways to get tickets besides Telstra).

If you were at the afternoon screening, I'm not sure how you got in the door to the cinema without signing. I never had an invitation in my hand, as I was someone else's +1, but a friend asked for - and received - a blank copy of the sheet we all signed, and the fine print was on that. At first, I actually thought we were actually surrendering our mobile phones, which is what happened at all the 2009 advance screenings.

Were embargo sheets being signed at the evening screening?

 

[M'Sharak]

@Therin, if you (or anyone) is able to provide me with a copy of this fine print, I would appreciate your doing so. If there are specific and official instructions concerning what is and is not allowable under the embargo, then I need to see those.

But send it to me via PM - I would prefer that the thread not be derailed further by the side topic of the review embargo.

That concern has been stated -- several times now -- and it was noted on the first mention. Repeating it in the thread (with or without impassioned appeals to whatever priorities Trek fans are universally supposed to have) serves no useful purpose, and indeed it's disruptive. Instead, show me the rules, so that the forum moderators may be equipped to make an informed decision concerning the future of the thread.