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SPOILER ALERT -- Review Myriad Universes: Infinity's Prism

He was a much richer and more interesting character than that, at least until Harve Bennett and Jack Sowards ruined him by turning him into a cartoon.
I don't think he was "ruined" at all. I think, however, that being stuck in a harsh desert for fifteen years would drive anybody binky-bonkers....

But how much more interesting would it have been to see a Khan who hadn't gone mad, who still had the intelligence and cunning to use the power of Genesis to build a new empire and challenge the whole Federation, instead of just going after Kirrrrrrk and blowing himself up in the process? Or how much more interesting would it have been if we'd actually gotten to see what Khan and his people could've built in a hundred years?

I think you have your next Myriad Universes story :lol:
 
The final story, "Seeds of Dissent," reminded me most of the Mirror Universe. Perhaps this is because DS9 visited the Mirror Universe on so many occasions. It might be because The Khanate is eerily similar to the brutal empires of the Mirror Universe. In any event, this excellent tale depicts an intriguing universe in which Khan won and the Alpha Quadrant is controlled by human augments. I did find a few of the story's elements to be a bit too "convenient," such as there being SO MANY 20th/21st century characters seen or referenced in the various series ALL present together on the Botany Bay. I also found it hard to swallow that the vessel's centuries-old hull, which was designed for sub-light travel, could withstand the stresses of self-propelled warp speeds (despite whatever modifications were made by the Defiance's crew). The Kira/Dukat romance was also quite awkward and, for me, rang hollow. Despite these concerns, James Swallow told an excellent tale; Princeps Bashir, Ezri Dax, and O'Brian are all intriguing characters in this story. However, of the three stories, I felt that this one ended too prematurely. I would have liked to have witnessed the aftermath of both the Illustrious' arrival at the Defiance and the escape of the rebels on the Botany Bay. Did the information stored in the Botany Bay's memory banks bring about the fall of The Khanate and lead to the formation of a new political and social order in the Alpha Quadrant? Like "A Less Perfect Union" this story could have "jumped ahead" at the end to give us more closure.

Overall, this is an excellent collection of stories!!!!

I checked this one out at the library, and I have to say I enjoyed it. :)

And surprisingly, the Dukat/Kira romance didn't bother me at all. In fact, I found it one of the most interesting things that for once, there was a version of him that actually like a decent person worthy of her. To me, anyway, this evoked certain comments made during the series, and by Marc Alaimo himself.

First, there's the comment Dukat made in one episode of DS9 that he felt like his destiny and Kira's were tied. Obviously with the "real" Dukat, said "relationship" is going to be a sicko sex-offender fantasy. But if you've got a Dukat that's made better choices and not gone down that path...well, it made sense to me to see that fulfilled in a far more PROPER sense than it ever could in the "real" universe.

The second thing that came to mind was this...Marc Alaimo apparently used to think there had to be some good in Dukat and held to this stance almost no matter what horrible thing the "real" Dukat did. So now that apparently that "better angel of his nature" is on display here, it does provoke some thought, namely on just how much potential the "real" Dukat might've squandered. And then there's also the thought of whether it was that the circumstances moulded this new Dukat into a better person (knowing oppression, being around good influences like Kira, etc.), or whether this one just...made better choices and that perhaps the "real" one could've too and just threw it all away.

Third...remember that the non-augment characters are being used as contrasts against the non-augments. In Khan and his descendents you've basically got a Hitler-dynasty type thing going. So what more total contrast can you get than have Dukat be the complete opposite?
 
In some cases, it's not unreasonable. Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin -- they were just crazy. But sometimes it's a lot more complicated. For instance, Mao Zedong started out as a populist leading his people against a brutal and corrupt dictatorship and imperialist Japanese invaders. The philosophy that guided him, his own revised, distinctly Chinese form of Marxism, was utopian, idealistic, based on great faith in the perfectability of human beings, and his writings at that early age had a lot of merit in them. He recognized, for instance, that building the utopia he envisioned would require generations of gradual work to peacefully persuade people to learn self-sufficiency and ethical treatment of others so that they wouldn't need a state to force order on them. But as Mao grew older, he lost sight of his earlier wisdom and restraint. Probably he became aware of his own mortality and so, in defiance of his earlier beliefs, he tried to force the creation of a communist utopia within his lifetime, the result of which was decades of misery and death for his people. Late in life, he was guilty of profound atrocities, but that was because he betrayed the values he'd held in his youth.

And yet, this is also a guy who, long before atrocities like the Cultural Revolution, went and installed himself as dictator, without attempting to gain a democratic mandate from the people over whom he ruled. I have a hard time calling anyone who thinks that they have some right to power without gaining a democratic mandate from the people anything other than evil -- whether they're relatively beneign dictators like Tito or full-out sociopaths like Amin or Hitler.
 
And yet, this is also a guy who, long before atrocities like the Cultural Revolution, went and installed himself as dictator, without attempting to gain a democratic mandate from the people over whom he ruled. I have a hard time calling anyone who thinks that they have some right to power without gaining a democratic mandate from the people anything other than evil -- whether they're relatively beneign dictators like Tito or full-out sociopaths like Amin or Hitler.

That's a dangerously oversimplistic way of looking at it. You can't fight the bad things in life by reducing them to a monolithic, caricatured label like "evil" and lumping everyone who does anything remotely less than wonderful in the same absolutist category. That's the sort of rhetoric that liars like Bush use to manipulate and blind us, to dumb down the real issues of the world by giving us empty propaganda. In order to be genuinely effective at fighting the bad things in life, you have to understand their causes. Especially, you have to understand the difference between a truly irredeemable tyrant and a ruler who still has the potential of being guided onto a better path.

Besides, I'm talking about fiction here, not reality. Cartoon bad guys are just not as interesting to write or read about as more nuanced, ambiguous figures. I'm not talking about whether what Khan did was genuinely right or wrong, because Khan never existed and never did a damn thing. So that's a totally meaningless discussion to have in this context. I'm talking about what makes him most engaging as a fictional character.
 
And yet, this is also a guy who, long before atrocities like the Cultural Revolution, went and installed himself as dictator, without attempting to gain a democratic mandate from the people over whom he ruled. I have a hard time calling anyone who thinks that they have some right to power without gaining a democratic mandate from the people anything other than evil -- whether they're relatively beneign dictators like Tito or full-out sociopaths like Amin or Hitler.

That's a dangerously oversimplistic way of looking at it. You can't fight the bad things in life by reducing them to a monolithic, caricatured label like "evil" and lumping everyone who does anything remotely less than wonderful in the same absolutist category. That's the sort of rhetoric that liars like Bush use to manipulate and blind us, to dumb down the real issues of the world by giving us empty propaganda.

In my defense, I'd point out also that while I have a hard time calling anyone who rules without a democratic mandate "evil," I also thoroughly disbelieve in the idea that the United States or its allies have any right to impose democracy or to force changes in governments we don't like using violence or coersion -- and that while I may be willing to characterize one ruler as being "evil," I'm not necessarily willing to characterize everything that that person does as evil or as being so evil as to mean we can't deal with them on peaceful, equitable terms.
 
For that matter, considering how recent true democracy is, you'd have to consider most every ruler and state in world history 'evil'. But Christopher is correct that power can corrupt even the well-intentioned, particularly where checks and balances are absent, or there's a history of conflict. Take a contemporary example like Mugabe: when he was first elected (in the first elections to include the majority black population), he was spoken of in the same breath as Mandela. There were signs of the oppressive bigot and tyrant he would eventually become in the brutality of his freedom fighters and his preference for a one-party state, but he initially came to power on the back of a movement seeking legitimate redress of historical wrongs. Most people are not one thing at any given moment, and particularly not across the span of a lifetime.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
I've put together a review at the blog:

Infinity’s Prism has met every expectation I had - thought-provoking stories, strong characterisation, intriguing new timelines. The second volume is on its way to me as we speak - and with a third already announced for 2009, the Myriad Universes line looks set to continue for the foreseeable future. And I, for one, am very pleased about that. There are… well, a myriad ideas to explore, so long as there are authors with interesting new spins to place on the history we know…
 
I think that a person who seizes power because he or see feel they have a right to and are entitled to it (I believe this is the case for Khan no matter what his plans were) have already taken a first step down a very dark path.
 
I think that a person who seizes power because he or see feel they have a right to and are entitled to it (I believe this is the case for Khan no matter what his plans were) have already taken a first step down a very dark path.

But you can describe most of the leaders in the history of the world that way. As stated above, democracy is a very recent innovation. Nobody's saying that the only choices are saint and monster. The point is that reality is infinitely more nuanced than that.

Even the leaders who are praised and lionized by history have done bad things, or at least undemocratic things. Alexander the Great was as ruthless as a conqueror as he was tolerant as a leader. Richard the Lion-Hearted brutally quashed rebellions when he was Duke of Aquitaine and participated in more than one attempt to overthrow his father and seize the English throne by force, then instituted anti-Semitic policies and launched a war of religious aggression against the Muslims, seeing the country he ruled as little more than a source of revenue for his war machine. Thomas Jefferson owned slaves.

And again, why are we even debating whether it's right or wrong? What I'm talking about is what makes a fictional character interesting. I'm saying that a tyrant who's nuanced and admirable in certain ways is a more engaging antagonist than a tyrant who's just a one-dimensional madman or monster.
 
And from a strictly internal perspective, it makes for a more credible story if the despot has charisma or other desirable qualities that make him a leader to his followers, rather than just being some nutcase you can't fathom why anybody would want to follow beyond threat of force.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
Well, in the show itself, we had Rose referring to Spock in "The Empty Child." And Steven Moffat gave the Doctor the ability to mind-meld, essentially, in "The Girl in the Fireplace." The Doctor's telepathic abilities had been established in the old show, but it was never so blatantly mind-meldy before.
 
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