Actually, the answer to that has already been documented by the writers. They didn't make it clearer because Rick Berman would not let them. At that point in TNG's run, he had a rule against even mentioning characters from TOS by name, and he specifically forbade them from doing so in this instance. They said it was like pulling teeth even to get the single mention of the name Spock in the mind meld scene.
Spock got HITCHED?!?
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Didn't Perrin have a son? Picard could have been talking about Sarek's stepson, but left off the step-. I think that it's more likely that Picard would have access to a Human wedding than a Vulcan one. Remember how private Spock's wedding to T'Pring was supposed to be. Outsiders were normally not allowed. How would Picard end up at a wedding of Sarek's Vulcan or half-Vulcan son, especially if his first time meeting Sarek was at this event? Hell, Even Sarek and Amanda were absent from Spock's wedding to T'Pring. I think it's much more likely that this was not a Vulcan wedding in question here.
That was a Roddenbery Rule.
No, that's not why I found it creepy. So I guess nobody else thinks it was icky that she had sex in order to 'help out' with a Spock who was basically a newborn baby in a teenage body?^ From what I've heard, in the novel Vulcan's Heart he marrieswhich means that I'm not eager to read it, since I've always found their... erm... hookup rather creepy.Saavik
I had never really thought about it being creepy until people pointed out he was her mentor and some people seem to think there was an actual familial relationship.
I think that's when this "fanficky" trend started.
personally, I'd much rather forget that bit of STIII.
Also, you have to take into account physically unlikely transfer speeds that would be required for a complete transplantation of a soul. An adult human's memories would run well beyond exabytes; a Vulcan's might be reasonably assumed to be even greater, but regardless, it's still an incredible amount of data. The katra transfer in TWoK took, generously, about three seconds. The transfer was effected through the nerve endings in one of Spock's hands and McCoy's cranial nerves, which were separated by an insulating material.
So, since Spock's hand and McCoy's face did not catch on fire, I submit we're not getting much more than the Spock OS and some key memories.
That said, I don't see why, given time, eternal life could not be effected by the method we saw in TWoK. The limits there would be the ultimate storage capacity of a Vulcan brain, which need not correspond with the amount of data they could actually record in a lifetime. I'm sure there are other pitfalls, such as overwriting, MPD, great confusion over actual life experiences, possibly quasi-schizophrenic reactions including hallucinations, and the old standby, full mental takeover, but it would appear to nonetheless be practicable.
Of course, I wonder if Vulcans, particularly kohlinari or whatever the noun form is, are brainwashed with the surviving katra of Surak.
Because Star Trek: Sarek aired from 1980 to 1987, and we got to know the man intimately.
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I think you mean Sybok. Saavik is the missus.
No.
That wasn't a wedding. It was a kunat kalifee - a ritual challenge to the death. Most weddings don't have that. T'Pring only invoked it because she wanted Stonn and not Spock. A regular Vulcan wedding would be just that - a wedding. That's not what this was.
And to all of those who think that it would be "icky" for Spock and Saavik to get married...do me a favor, just read Vulcan's Heart. It contains a very moving and realistic account of their relationship. After you read that, you will believe that they really are meant for each other. It's not something that they just threw together at the last minute. It's very believable. And cute.
Oh, THAT again?
Look, who cares? We will never see these people (this timeline, anyway) onscreen again. You know it, I know it. So since nothing will ever contradict it, FUCK CANON. This book - and many others like it - is too good to simply dismiss out of hand because of some outdated, archaic notion like that.
It was stated in interviews at the time that the line was kept vague to give fans something to ponder, not necessarily to fret and obsess over. (That's our choice to turn pondering into fretting and obsessing.)
If they'd come out and actually named Spock in the episode it kind of cuts the discussions dead. They were following a Roddenberry directive from Season One that TOS references be kept to a minimum.
Yep! But it was GR himself who came out and said, when asked at a convention if the son being married was Spock, "I think perhaps it was."
Oh, THAT again?
Look, who cares? We will never see these people (this timeline, anyway) onscreen again. You know it, I know it. So since nothing will ever contradict it, FUCK CANON. This book - and many others like it - is too good to simply dismiss out of hand because of some outdated, archaic notion like that.
*shrugs* If you want to believe that it actually "happened" in this fictional reality then that's perfectly fine. All I'm saying is that I'm glad it's an option for the rest of us.
I think you mean Sybok. Saavik is the missus.
No.
That wasn't a wedding. It was a kunat kalifee - a ritual challenge to the death. Most weddings don't have that. T'Pring only invoked it because she wanted Stonn and not Spock. A regular Vulcan wedding would be just that - a wedding. That's not what this was.
And to all of those who think that it would be "icky" for Spock and Saavik to get married...do me a favor, just read Vulcan's Heart. It contains a very moving and realistic account of their relationship. After you read that, you will believe that they really are meant for each other. It's not something that they just threw together at the last minute. It's very believable. And cute.
It started as a wedding. They beamed down to perform a brief ceremony. It wasn't until the ceremony began that T'Pring invoked the Kunat Kalifee.
And you're right about Perrin, she didn't have a son that we know of. But she could have.
That wasn't what Ron Moore said. And when Roddenberry was actively running the show in the first season, he had McCoy make a cameo appearance in "Encounter at Farpoint" and allowed Kirk's name and ship to be mentioned in "The Naked Now."
I think we just found the new motto for TrekBBS!!
I wasn't a hard fast rule, but I beleive Roddenberry was on record as wanting TNG to stand on it own feet with as little reference to TOS as possible.(and had to be talked into adding a Klingon Starfleet officer) Moore joined the staff in the Third Season by then the rule would have been in place for two years and Roddenberry's involvement was diminishing.
The writers had to argue to get those references into "The Naked Now". Essentially, GR - and then Rick Berman - held tight to the "no TOS references" to force the writers to come up with extremely convincing arguments each time, because there had been a tendency, in verbal pitches, for the writers to suggest TOS sequels and returning TOS characters often.
For example, "Where No One Has Gone Before" is an loose adaptation of a TOS novel, "The Wounded Sky" (by its author, Diane Duane), Kirk was pitched to be the elderly admiral in "Too Short a Season", and Tracy Torme really wanted an Andorian in "Conspiracy" - and two Spocks in a time travel two-parter.
^ Interesting that they'd have an argument over mentioning the character of Kirk in "The Naked Now" when the entire episode is a variation on a TOS story to begin with...
Essentially, it sounds like Roddenberry started out with a "no TOS stuff, unless there's a very good dramatic reason" sorta guideline and with Berman it morphed into a more absolute "no TOS stuff, period" thing for a couple years until he finally backed off of that. I recall Ron Moore mentioning that several years later when he was putting some TOS stuff into an episode, and mentioned that rule to Berman, Berman no longer cared and couldn't even recall why it had been there in the first place.
Essentially, it sounds like Roddenberry started out with a "no TOS stuff, unless there's a very good dramatic reason" sorta guideline and with Berman it morphed into a more absolute "no TOS stuff, period" thing for a couple years until he finally backed off of that. I recall Ron Moore mentioning that several years later when he was putting some TOS stuff into an episode, and mentioned that rule to Berman, Berman no longer cared and couldn't even recall why it had been there in the first place.
I recall Ron Moore mentioning that several years later when he was putting some TOS stuff into an episode, and mentioned that rule to Berman, Berman no longer cared and couldn't even recall why it had been there in the first place.
Don't your anecdotes change slightly every time you tell them?
Berman has done interviews where he talks about keeping the writers from constantly referencing TOS, and the TNG Writer's Bible mentions how our galaxy is very big, and states the tiny percentage that was mapped during TOS (was it only 3%?) and the relatively bigger, but not too much bigger (was it 11%?) that had been mapped by TNG.
Remember that the original intention for TNG was that the Enterprise-D was on an extended mission and that GR wasn't planning on the ship returning to Earth at all during the entire run of TNG, hence the only known UFP races that would be encountered in TNG were ones already on the ship as crewmembers and their families.
Yeah, well, Richard Arnold probably did too, and look how THAT turned out.
That would actually have been really cool, IMHO. (Doesn't "A Private Little War" deserve having a sequel like that anyway?
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