Spock/Burnham

[dahj]

Perhaps Vulcans were given a lot of privacy clauses and it took a lot of inter species relationships before their secrets became open ones

Or everyone just thought they were boring calculator-logic people so nobody even bothered to learn anything about them... until Vulcan Love Slave, which was probably the first work of art that brought Vulcan culture to mainstream masses in the Federation.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

2) If CBS executives weren't happy with Fuller's ideas, they wouldn't have greenlit Discovery in the first place, let alone put it on the air

Nope. Tv series and movies being greenlit only to have the director or executive producer removed during production happens all the time in hollywood. The CBS execs wanted Discovery so they could launch CBSAA they just didn't like Fuller's vision of it as indicated by the following articles:

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/star...trek-discovery-what-led-to-bryan-fullers-exit

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-bryan-fuller-departure-explained/

https://www.bustle.com/p/why-did-br...-he-still-left-his-mark-on-the-series-2426654


Fuller's work on American Gods was the straw that broke the camels back.

 

[Spot261]

Or everyone just thought they were boring calculator-logic people so nobody even bothered to learn anything about them... until Vulcan Love Slave, which was probably the first work of art that brought Vulcan culture to mainstream masses in the Federation.

Brought Vulcan culture to the masses?

Certainly brought me to something.

 

[Nyotarules]

Or everyone just thought they were boring calculator-logic people so nobody even bothered to learn anything about them... until Vulcan Love Slave, which was probably the first work of art that brought Vulcan culture to mainstream masses in the Federation.

Vulcan love slave
By S.Y.Bok

 

[The Wormhole]

TOS gives me the impression First Contact was about one generation removed maybe that is why not much is known about Vulcans?

I don't know about that. In Metamorphosis Zefram Cochrane did recognize Spock was a Vulcan, making it clear Vulcans were known to humans since his day.

 

[Captain Killy]

TOS gives me the impression First Contact was about one generation removed maybe that is why not much is known about Vulcans? TNG and ENT retcon a First contact that is over 100, 200 years old so makes the Starfleet of the TOS and TOS movies either incompetent or Vulcans were given a lot of privacy clauses when they joined the Federation.

Possibly, but I always found Kirk and Co. lack of knowledge about Vulcan culture specifically, and other Fed worlds in general an indicator of how culturally bias and Human-centric Starfleet was at the time.

Zephrim Cocharne being heralded as the creator of Warp Drive when every Federation founding planet was Warp capable long long before First Contact.

It’s a thing that never sat well with me...

 

[Greg Cox]

I don't know about that. In Metamorphosis Zefram Cochrane did recognize Spock was a Vulcan, making it clear Vulcans were known to humans since his day.

It's inconsistent. But Spock spends a lot of time explaining Vulcan customs and history to crew members as though it's hardly common knowledge--and Spock's Vulcan nature even seems to be an object of curiosity at times.

"Tell me about the moons on your planet, Mister Spock . . ."

But, yes, the show and movies were making it up as they went along so it wasn't always consistent and they kept pulling new stuff out of the hat. "Oh, did we never mention the Vulcan mind-mind before? Or the inner eyelids? Or the katra ritual?"

Plus, of course, a lot of Spock's exposition about Vulcan and Vulcans were really intended for the audience, not the crew.

 

[Tallguy]

Zephrim Cocharne being heralded as the creator of Warp Drive when every Federation founding planet was Warp capable long long before First Contact.

It’s a thing that never sat well with me...

The retcon that every Federation founding planet was Warp capable long long before First Contact even though Zephram Cochrane was originally heralded as the creator of Warp Drive (even as late as TNG). (Discoverer of the Space Warp was how Spock put it.)

It’s a thing that never sat well with me...

 

[Ronald Held]

As the Trill symbyote was hidden via taboos in the 24th century, Vulcan physiology data was not available in the 23d century?