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Spock at Academy

Well Tom Cruise did visit the set for a day. :p

Wouldn't that be something if Cruise were Cadet or Ensign Gary Mitchell? Or even an older, higher-ranked version of Gary considering Cruise is no longer THAT young looking?

There is probably no actor in the world I would hate more to show up in a Star Trek movie!

And since Tom has been rumored as a *possible* surprise cameo since the day we learned his buddy J.J. was directing the movie? This would be something super badass along the lines of his role in TROPIC THUNDER. A surprise to most if not everyone, and worth seeing.
 
"Captain Pike, you have served Starfleet with dignity and honor and the galaxy owes you a great debt... but shut the fuck up before I cut your fucking nuts off and shove them down your fucking throat!"
 
Also, the USS Intrepid ("The Immunity Syndrome") was manned by Vulcans - it would be a stretch to assume that none of them had entered Starfleet before Spock.

Sarek wanted Spock to follow his footsteps and enter the Vulcan Science Academy.

Especially if you take into account T'Pol joining Starfleet in the ENT era (assuming that ENT also takes place in the alternate universe that this new movie is in, and i dont see any indication why it wouldnt be).

I for one would enjoy seeing more aliens (humaniod and not) within the ranks of Starfleet in this new movie.
Different Starfleet. T'pol joined Earth's Starfleet, not the Federation's.

I was thinking Earth Starfleet became the UFP Starfleet after the Federation Charter was signed, so I lumped T'Pol in that group. Still, she could've still served in Starfleet after the charter was signed, but thats neither here nor there. :)

On a side note, IMO it would have been awesome to see the early days of the Federation, maybe during the 2160-2200 period, on the small screen in some capacity.
 
T'pol was more an honorary member of Starfleet. She didn't even wear the uniform. Spock still might've been the first one to actually join the academy and work his way up through the ranks.
 
i think she is a member by the fourth season.
as for the uniform issue.
yeah i would have rather seen her either in the uniform or an adaptation that later becomes the new uniform..
we actually in american history had people from else where who came and fought as part of the amrerican army in well not standard uniforms.

but nerys point is that once the federation came into being it became rechartered.
 
^
Maybe we'll get a pleasant surprise. Who knows.

Well Tom Cruise did visit the set for a day. :p

Wouldn't that be something if Cruise were Cadet or Ensign Gary Mitchell? Or even an older, higher-ranked version of Gary considering Cruise is no longer THAT young looking?

I was thinking the exact same thing the other night, purely by chance. Not sure I'd want it, but at least we would get Mitchell that way.
 
Well Tom Cruise did visit the set for a day. :p

Wouldn't that be something if Cruise were Cadet or Ensign Gary Mitchell? Or even an older, higher-ranked version of Gary considering Cruise is no longer THAT young looking?

I was thinking the exact same thing the other night, purely by chance. Not sure I'd want it, but at least we would get Mitchell that way.

"Jim, your ego is writing checks your starship CAN'T CASH!"
 
Alternate Gary ends up making best friends with a dude who won't one day bury him under a giant boulder on a distant planet.:lol:
 
I think it might be like the United States Service Academies were more "senior" students assist in instructing the junior ones.
 
In the TOS timeline Kirk was a lieutenant and student instructor while still at the Academy...sometime around 2253 or 2254, just before graduation. That means he was probably already a lieutenant like Saavik when he first boarded the Farragut on his first deep space assignment.
 
In the TOS timeline Kirk was a lieutenant and student instructor while still at the Academy...sometime around 2253 or 2254, just before graduation. That means he was probably already a lieutenant like Saavik when he first boarded the Farragut on his first deep space assignment.
It's a little confused.

Dialogue from "Court Martial" specifically establishes that Kirk's service (at the rank of Ensign) on the Republic would have to have preceded his tenure as instructor at the Academy -- active starship duty (though perhaps not classified as "deep space"), then returned to take the instructor's post.

Dialogue also establishes ("Obsession") that the Farragut was Lieutenant Kirk's first deep-space assignment and his first after graduating from the Academy. (Using the U.S. Naval Academy as a model, a graduating Cadet would receive an Ensign's commission.) There's already conflicting information long before J.J. & Co. enter the picture, even if Garrovick had also been Kirk's commanding officer on the Republic, a detail never established anywhere.

So is Spock an upperclassman/instructor or a commissioned officer returned to take an instructor's post? Beats the shit outta me. I'll have to wait and see whether it's explained.
 
In the TOS timeline Kirk was a lieutenant and student instructor while still at the Academy...sometime around 2253 or 2254, just before graduation. That means he was probably already a lieutenant like Saavik when he first boarded the Farragut on his first deep space assignment.
It's a little confused.

Dialogue from "Court Martial" specifically establishes that Kirk's service (at the rank of Ensign) on the Republic would have to have preceded his tenure as instructor at the Academy -- active starship duty (though perhaps not classified as "deep space"), then returned to take the instructor's post.

Dialogue also establishes ("Obsession") that the Farragut was Lieutenant Kirk's first deep-space assignment and his first after graduating from the Academy. (Using the U.S. Naval Academy as a model, a graduating Cadet would receive an Ensign's commission.) There's already conflicting information long before J.J. & Co. enter the picture, even if Garrovick had also been Kirk's commanding officer on the Republic, a detail never established anywhere.

So is Spock an upperclassman/instructor or a commissioned officer returned to take an instructor's post? Beats the shit outta me. I'll have to wait and see whether it's explained.
We do not speak of this!!!!!!
 
In the TOS timeline Kirk was a lieutenant and student instructor while still at the Academy...sometime around 2253 or 2254, just before graduation. That means he was probably already a lieutenant like Saavik when he first boarded the Farragut on his first deep space assignment.
It's a little confused.

Dialogue from "Court Martial" specifically establishes that Kirk's service (at the rank of Ensign) on the Republic would have to have preceded his tenure as instructor at the Academy -- active starship duty (though perhaps not classified as "deep space"), then returned to take the instructor's post.

Dialogue also establishes ("Obsession") that the Farragut was Lieutenant Kirk's first deep-space assignment and his first after graduating from the Academy. (Using the U.S. Naval Academy as a model, a graduating Cadet would receive an Ensign's commission.) There's already conflicting information long before J.J. & Co. enter the picture, even if Garrovick had also been Kirk's commanding officer on the Republic, a detail never established anywhere.

So is Spock an upperclassman/instructor or a commissioned officer returned to take an instructor's post? Beats the shit outta me. I'll have to wait and see whether it's explained.

i still like the idea kirk was sent back to be an instructor at the academy after the farragutt incident.

remember kirk himself was injured during the incident.
he also came out of it with a commendation.
MCCOY: The ship's exec didn't seem to think so. His log entry was quite clear on the subject. Lieutenant Kirk is a fine young officer who performed with uncommon bravery.



KIRK: My report is on the tapes. As it attacked us eleven years ago, as I lost consciousness, I could feel the intelligence of the thing.

so he gets to go back home to the academy to teach and recover for awhile.
people back there believe him to be very brave while inside kirk is blaming himself for the death of his captain and so many of his crew mates.
due to everything that happened he is far more subdued person then before.
it will take new adventures ect for the kirk personality to come back.
it gives an even better reason why gary would have been trying to set jim up then to just distract him from his duties as an instructor.

maybe gary believed it would help bring back some of the former kirk bravado he may have heard about at the academy.
 
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