Spock and Uhura [SPOILERS]

[Nebula1400]

This isn't the Spock from the original universe. This is a character who's had some different experiences, whose planet and culture may be slightly different from the original series, and whose personality seems to be more openly emotional. He isn't going to react like the original Spock and I'm just fine with that. Let them do something different with this alternate universe. It's glaringly obvious that Spock and Uhura are having sex, have been in a relationship for some time, and are very serious about each other. Uhura was not just comforting her "good friend" in that scene. She was comforting her lover and he was seeking comfort from her.

You know, comments like this sort of undermine the idea that this is the exact same timeline, just changed a little. Nothing that changed should have had any effect whatsoever on Spock, until after the Narada showed up in Vulcan's orbit. If you want to claim that Spock was already having a relationship with Uhura before that, then you can't really claim that this is also the original timeline that's just branched off at a point; either Spock is Spock until something different actually happens, or Spock is not Spock from the start.

Not necessarily. In the original timeline, Kirk had attended Starfleet Academy years earlier than in this timeline. His presence (or lack of it) at the academy at an earlier point may have altered events as they played out in the new timeline. He might have gotten to Uhura earlier, or somehow interfered in the development of a Spock/Uhura relationship before it happened.

 

[KimMH]

Re: What do you think about the Spock and Uhara romance?

Because I wanted it to be me in the trasporter room *sniff sniff*

Because the Spock I know (and love) doesn't want to love anybody...the man is all business. I don't care about the few minutes hinted at in Charlie X or how he banged Leila whatever her name is before he was in star fleet...fine then they shoulda had cadet Leila doing Spock -- i found no need for Uhura to be the main love interest.....she needs to be on the bridge doin her thang...not down Spocks pants and this is where they could of introduced someone "new" into the mix.

I know he's only going out with her because of her linguistic skills wink wink...

I wish it were me too. Want some cookie dough ice cream?

It's going to get real crowded on that transporter padd with all of us!

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Re: What do you think about the Spock and Uhara romance?

It's going to get real crowded on that transporter padd with all of us!

Depends on how big you all are.

 

[elektralyte]

Re: What do you think about the Spock and Uhara romance?

Because I wanted it to be me in the trasporter room *sniff sniff*

Because the Spock I know (and love) doesn't want to love anybody...the man is all business. I don't care about the few minutes hinted at in Charlie X or how he banged Leila whatever her name is before he was in star fleet...fine then they shoulda had cadet Leila doing Spock -- i found no need for Uhura to be the main love interest.....she needs to be on the bridge doin her thang...not down Spocks pants and this is where they could of introduced someone "new" into the mix.

I know he's only going out with her because of her linguistic skills wink wink...

I wish it were me too. Want some cookie dough ice cream?

It's going to get real crowded on that transporter padd with all of us!

It won't if I have Mr. Scott help me out! He's capable of beaming 3 different people from 2 different places onto 1 pad. I bet I can get him to beam away the competition...

 

[Seska]

my interpretation means no unethical teaching practices on Spock's part

Does this mean it was morally praiseworthy but not morally obligatory?

 

[I am not Spock]

I immediately thought of that scene in Charlie X as well, pooka!

One thing I loved about the new film is that it presents the TOS crew as more of an ensemble. Uhura in particular is given more of a substantial role. Scotty and Chekov were used as comic relief, but that may change in future movies.

 

[Amaris]

Re: What do you think about the Spock and Uhara romance?

It's going to get real crowded on that transporter padd with all of us!

Depends on how big you all are.

I'll be in the cargo bay.


J.

 

[USS Triumphant]

Does this mean it was morally praiseworthy but not morally obligatory?

But no, it would be morally obligatory. Otherwise, there would be no established negative consequences for failing to follow through on it.

 

[Ashramsgrl]

Hello, been lurking for a few days. I just wanted to say on the whole surprise romance thing, was WOW.

Not only did the writers actually do their Roddenberry homework (He had always wanted Spock and Uhura to possible explore a relationship, but NBC/The Southern Constituency/Shatner's Ego as well as the low ratings got in the way) , they hit it out of the park!

That turbo lift scene was just...WOW. For a moment I forgot I was watching scifi, or Star Trek in general. Never has the series actually gotten that...tangibly real. Comforting a significant other during a time of immense grief actually requires physical contact. Zach and Zoe did their respective things and it worked. I felt like I was intruding.

Besides I dare anyone to show me a hotter or more convincing scene between two lovers in the whole dang franchise, including the only other successful relationship (VOY's Paris and B'lanna). Everyone else either broke up, died, or talked themselves out of being together.

BTW, I took the transporter scene to be in three separate fields. One for the potentially suicidal Spock returning the SAME EXACT sentiments that Uhura gave him in the turbo lift only this time he was comforting her. The other sphere is that of Kirk and his running joke with Uhura. DONE! The last sphere is with Scotty, who had the same exact reaction the entire audience did (he was our Hurley).

But in all honesty the most sincere part of their relationship was his last thoughts before going kamikaze on the Jellyfish was a parting messing for Uhura. Those who aren't buying this have conveniently and completely forgotten this part. Spock didn't say, "Tell my father...," or some line about his mother, duty or starfleet. No no.

Just, "Please tell Lt. Uhura..."
<--SOLD!

Then of course he get distracted by the cool auto-swivel chair. Boys and their toys. For shame.

Ironically enough the most weirdest thing was the first scene they had together. Spock's hesitation at "favoritism" was hilarious, obvious, and out of character. But still funny as heck. The only reason why he didn't put her on the enterprise was because she WAS his favorite, and apparently everyone knew so he took that particular moment to show how wrong they were.

I'm still on the fence about their double entendra lines in that scene, and not just their oral/aural mix up either!!!

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Ashramsgirl thank you for a fantastic post

It was pretty damn frustrating the second viewing having Kirk refuse to let Spock complete his sentence, but the unspoken was the strength of the scene.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Okay.. I just had a big revelation.

Amanda.. she had to die. She had to die to advance this romance beyond some Academy fling before Kohlinar. In TOS Spock always struggled for his father's acceptance and he knows that the only way to gain that was by being as Vulcan as possible. It was only with Amanda's death that Sarek could recant his "it was logical" reason for marrying her and tell Spock the truth, that he loved her. Accompany that with old Spock's permission to "Put aside logic. Do what feels right." Though Old Spock was speaking of remaining in Starfleet lets face it, the other choice cut Uhura right out of his life while Starfleet does not. His father clearly did what felt right, with no regrets and his Older self endorses this as something not to be always disdained.

I have great hope for Spock and Uhura. I want angst, sure, but I think it bodes well for a continued relationship with pitfalls rather than the rug pulled out like happened with T'Pol.

 

[Ashramsgrl]

Ashramsgirl thank you for a fantastic post

It was pretty damn frustrating the second viewing having Kirk refuse to let Spock complete his sentence, but the unspoken was the strength of the scene.

Thanks!

I'll admit that was a lip bitter moment, but I'm actually not too too sad about it. If it was anything like, "acting admirably" I would have thrown my sister's food at him.

Okay.. I just had a big revelation.

Amanda.. she had to die. She had to die to advance this romance beyond some Academy fling before Kohlinar. In TOS Spock always struggled for his father's acceptance and he know that the only way to gain that was by being as Vulcan as possible. It was only with Amanda's death that Sarek could recant his "it was logical" reason for marrying her and tell Spock the truth, that he loved her. Accompany that with old Spock's permission to "Put aside logic. Do what feels right." Though Old Spock was speaking of remaining in Starfleet lets face it, the other choice cut Uhura right out of his life while Starfleet does not. His father clearly did what felt right, with no regrets and his Older self endorses this as something not to be always disdained.

I have great hope for Spock and Uhura. I want angst, sure, but I think it bodes well for a continued relationship with pitfalls rather than the rug pulled out like happened with T'Pol.

Holy cow, good point. W/O the only person who accepted Spock as he was unfathomably, we see that he still needs that. He's always needed that, and that's what he gets with Uhura. She never presses him for more than he can give, especially in the lift scene. We see her more at peace with her teary eyes, than he is with a blank expression. Its only after he collapses into her then we see that determination then the nothing that was there in the first place.

Quinto was right when he said that she was his "emotional canvas."

They really do need each other.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Ashramsgirl thank you for a fantastic post

It was pretty damn frustrating the second viewing having Kirk refuse to let Spock complete his sentence, but the unspoken was the strength of the scene.

Thanks!

I'll admit that was a lip bitter moment, but I'm actually not too too sad about it. If it was anything like, "acting admirably" I would have thrown my sister's food at him.

Okay.. I just had a big revelation.

Amanda.. she had to die. She had to die to advance this romance beyond some Academy fling before Kohlinar. In TOS Spock always struggled for his father's acceptance and he know that the only way to gain that was by being as Vulcan as possible. It was only with Amanda's death that Sarek could recant his "it was logical" reason for marrying her and tell Spock the truth, that he loved her. Accompany that with old Spock's permission to "Put aside logic. Do what feels right." Though Old Spock was speaking of remaining in Starfleet lets face it, the other choice cut Uhura right out of his life while Starfleet does not. His father clearly did what felt right, with no regrets and his Older self endorses this as something not to be always disdained.

I have great hope for Spock and Uhura. I want angst, sure, but I think it bodes well for a continued relationship with pitfalls rather than the rug pulled out like happened with T'Pol.

Holy cow, good point. W/O the only person who accepted Spock as he was unfathomably, we see that he still needs that. He's always needed that, and that's what he gets with Uhura. She never presses him for more than he can give, especially in the lift scene. We see her more at peace with her teary eyes, than he is with a blank expression. Its only after he collapses into her then we see that determination then the nothing that was there in the first place.

Quinto was right when he said that she was his "emotional canvas."

They really do need each other.

*sigh*



Best. Trek. Romance.

 

[Amaris]

*sigh*



Best. Trek. Romance.

Amen to that.


J.

 

[USS Triumphant]

It was only with Amanda's death that Sarek could recant his "it was logical" reason for marrying her and tell Spock the truth, that he loved her.

I didn't see it as a recanting, exactly, so much as admitting the rest of the story. His original statement that it was logical was correct, it just left out the fact that his emotions were compatible with it, as well.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

It was only with Amanda's death that Sarek could recant his "it was logical" reason for marrying her and tell Spock the truth, that he loved her.

I didn't see it as a recanting, exactly, so much as admitting the rest of the story. His original statement that it was logical was correct, it just left out the fact that his emotions were compatible with it, as well.

But it wasn't why he married her. He married her because he loved her. The galaxy is full of women it would be logical to marry, humans and Vulcans. It being logical was just a bonus and he would have been compelled to find a logical reason for it, if only to explain to other Vulcans.

Also lets face it if it was all that logical to marry outside of your rather isolationist race just because you are working with the other race why don't other Vulcans make this choice? Marry a race looked upon as inferior, produce a child who will be seen as less than Vulcan? I see the "I was stationed there so it was logical to marry a native" line as what Sarek has told himself and detractors for a long time, but not the real reason behind his choice.

 

[Praetor]

... then again, perhaps it was logical to marry her because he loved her?

 

[15wss]

... then again, perhaps it was logical to marry her because he loved her?

I had thought the same thing when Sarek made his full admission during the movie - yes, it was logical to have married Amanda - but logical because he loved her (and vice versa - he loved her because it was logical - love and logic can't possibly be that incompatible!). I also had that observation when Sarek and Amanda were in the episode "Journey to Babel" - and I also loved Spock's reaction to Sarek's saying "It was logical..." in that episode!

 

[Norrin Radd]

You krazy shippers...heads always in the clouds...

 

[trampledamage]

You krazy shippers...heads always in the clouds...

Yes, and?