Spock and Chapel Handhold Thread (S3 x 02)

[Dar70]

Ypou have it in Pike and Batel - and the closeness of their relationship is absolutely made apparant in SNW S3 Hegemony II. (But if you haven't actually been watching the show, you wouldn't know that.)

I lied I watched. Yeah them as well but their relationship was already established episode 1. So i kinda don't think too much on it since it has seemed more like a booty call kind of relationship until the last episode.

 

[fireproof78]

I lied I watched. Yeah them as well but their relationship was already established episode 1. Soni kinda don't think too much on it since it has seemed more like a booty call kind of relationship until the last episode.

Some relationships start that way.

 

[Uhura's Song]

So sorry for the spam but that is EXACTLY where this was going to go. Did you not see TOS? Why do you think this happened? Christine was always there for Spock in TOS. She was RIGHT THERE. But he did not go there with her ever again. Something had to have happened BEFORE we see them in TOS for Spock to behave that way IN TOS. So THIS happened. Once bitten, twice shy is the adage you're looking at. I'm quite happy with this because I was afraid they were going to mess with canon on this show as soon as I saw the Spock/Chapel thing happening.

Also, I don't see Chapel as cold toward Spock in Wedding Blues. I feel that she's moving on but her feelings are still there and she feels very guilty. Her face when she was asked to tell the "romantic story" when Spock was standing there and also when he turned and left did not tell me that she was cold. She's still in love with him, but she's pushing him away bc she now knows she's not what "his future" needs.

Agree 100%. Boimler spilled the beans in "Those Old Scientists." Plus, she did not want to answer the wuestion about the ring,,Spick insisted. Plus, in Hegemony II, she specifically told him not to wait for her or do anythis romantic. And that there was no "us "

 

[Uhura's Song]

I lied I watched. Yeah them as well but their relationship was already established episode 1. Soni kinda don't think too much on it since it has seemed more like a booty call kind of relationship until the last episode.

Did you not see "Among the Lotus Eaters?" That made it pretty clear itcwas beyond booty call.

 

[indranee]

Agree 100%. Boimler spilled the beans in "Those Old Scientists." Plus, she did not want to answer the wuestion about the ring,,Spick insisted. Plus, in Hegemony II, she specifically told him not to wait for her or do anythis romantic. And that there was no "us "

I do feel sad for the Spock/Chapel folks. You know I used to like Spock/Chapel and read fanfic about it over the decades. But when I saw that they hired a really charming Spock and Chapel duo for this show and saw where they were going, I was a little worried (despite being a sort of Sp/Ch fan) that this was going to mess with canon.

And I am with you in that Chapel does not come across as cold. I would suggest anyone who is a SP/Ch fan to re-watch WBB -- Chapel is definitely feeling a lot of sadness and guilt at what's happening. The "coldness" they are seeing is just the top layer. In fact, it's probably an interpretation by those viewers. Her feelings are still there and the episode shows it plainly on her face.

 

[fireproof78]

Her feelings are still there and the episode shows it plainly on her face.

Indeed.

 

[Dar70]

Did you not see "Among the Lotus Eaters?" That made it pretty clear itcwas beyond booty call.

Exactly why I hate 10 episodes seasons and two year gaps....

 

[fireproof78]

I hate it when episodes self-destruct and I can't watch them again.

 

[ILovePuppies]

At best, Spock and T’Pring are on a break. Of course Chapel would chose someone else, instead dealing with the drama.

I was surprised that T'Pring wasn't brought up as his engagement is an obvious barrier. I'm unclear whether the wedding was suppose to be a vague fantasy or an indication that Spock genuinely wanted to marry Christine after 3 months. If so then he is certainly more committed to her than he was to T'Pring (who has really gotten a bad deal here). In fairness to Spock, I'm not sure he actually brought T'Pring drama. The episode seemed to imply that he would end his relationship with her formally and quickly if Christine wanted to be with him (if this is meant to be more than a very vague fantasy and is based on genuine potential behaviour - debatable).

he has not met Leila Kalomi yet. Spock even says as much in TOS after he meets Leila again. The question is, is Leila the reason Chapel realizes she still loves Spock?

I don't think that they'll go down the Leila path. She was a one off character and Spock was under the influence of drugs which had that impact. I know that I have a different interpretation to some but I thought that the 'love' with Leila was the drugs talking He hadn't shown any signs of having any feelings, conflicted or otherwise, for Leila previously.

I very much hope that they don't introduce La'An as the next love interest. Sadly they seem to be heavily implying that they will. A strong friendship would be great but watching Spock leap into another relationship directly off the back of heartbreak would be a terrible idea. It would also be very disrespectful to T'Pring. I was onboard with the notion that T'Pring was an arranged marriage and when he made a connection with Christine he realised what he could feel and want so threw himself into a relationship. Moving into another relationship with another crew member feels a bit ridiculous. Vulcans are inherently monogamous and base their relationships off life long mating. Leaping into yet another women's arms would undermine any connection with both T'Pring and Christine. If it isn't Christine then I think we need to see him go back to T'Pring and try and make this work (which TOS seems to indicate does happen).

I would be horrified if they moved him onto La'An and then onto Leila. He won't have time for any science as he'll be too busy

And I am with you in that Chapel does not come across as cold. I would suggest anyone who is a SP/Ch fan to re-watch WBB -- Chapel is definitely feeling a lot of sadness and guilt at what's happening. The "coldness" they are seeing is just the top layer. In fact, it's probably an interpretation by those viewers. Her feelings are still there and the episode shows it plainly on her face.

That's great to hear that interpretation, thank you. I do see some guilt but perhaps not conflicted emotions or ongoing feelings. This could certainly be what I'm not seeing (and I would be happy for that to be the case!) I found the romantic story and bubbly excitement over what a great guy Korby was to crowd out any room for genuine conflict. Admittedly though there's a solid story driven reason for her to throw herself into moving on and really try and not dwell on Spock. There are many episodes to go and hopefully we'll see the conflict leaking out.

I thought I would add Jess's words to the conversation about returning with Kobry.

"Bush jokes that Chapel returning with Korby is “ruthless.” But as for what her character had thought the time away would mean for them and if she’s really moved on from Spock, “I don’t think she knows,” she admits. “I think that Chapel’s freedom of movement is very important to her, and when she leaves to the fellowship, she’s prioritizing. She doesn’t want to compromise her dreams and her ambitions for a relationship at that point in time, but that doesn’t mean that she doesn’t love Spock. I think that it just feels very important to her to not compromise in that moment.” - https://www.tvinsider.com/1203047/s...lds-spock-chapel-korby-triangle-ortegas-gorn/

"Jess Bush: I think venturing outside the Enterprise and meeting Roger Korby, her world has just expanded. In meeting Roger and doing archaeological medicine, she realizes that there's so much out there for her and so many ways that she can discover new things. In a work or study sense, I think she gets this hunger about her that wants to expand beyond what she's been doing so far. There's this deep satisfaction, and so she's so deeply curious about medicine and the world.

Also, in meeting Roger, I think there's also a sense that they are cut from the same cloth in terms of values and energy. When you meet someone who is like that for you, there is a sense of ease that comes over you. You feel really comfortable, seen and accepted. That's what I wanted for her."

The dynamic between Chapel and Korby is one that feels very easy and exciting in the beginning because they both are so adventurous and value freedom of movement and free-spiritedness and not being tied down anywhere. That's really refreshing for her to find someone who feels the same way about life. But then, that also presents some difficulties that comes with it. To be with someone who's adventurous and free-spirited, you have to be okay with them not always being around and wanting to follow their own path. The dynamic is one that feels, in terms of connection, very easy and exciting, but, in terms of logistics, maybe a little tricky." - https://www.startrek.com/en-un/news/strange-new-worlds-season-3-primer-guide

I find this so interesting because I don't disagree with anything that she's said. I think that Korby is easy and exciting for Christine. If she genuinely believes that Spock won't love her in the future (Boimler) and that she won't make a meaningful scientific accomplishment (Boimler didn't know like he knew everyone else), then it makes sense to look for someone easy rather than meaningful and capable of offering her something exciting. Korby is also very charming so he does a great job of 'getting her.' She doesn't talk about Christine being in love with Korby so much as focusing on the refreshing lightness of it. Of course this might just be this component of the interview but it's interesting to see what she was thinking when doing the scene. It sounds like she thinks that Christine doesn't know whether she's still in love with Spock but she's aware that she might be.

I don't disagree with what she's said but I'd be very curious is she thinks that Christine is conflicted.