Spoilers Spider-Man: No Way Home - Review and Discussion Thread
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If i weren't already expecting the previous Spidermen to make an appearance and the long rumored appearance by Charlie Cox i'd be superpissed at the moment, because some dickheads on Youtube decided to post screener scenes ( filmed directly and illegally in the theater, usually with bad video quality) on Youtube with video titles directly spoiling what was supposed to be the big secret ( where Marvel went out of their way to keep them a secret).
Yeah i know.. Internet and its denizens but still, i sometimes do wonder about the mindset of such people.
Yeah i know.. Internet and its denizens but still, i sometimes do wonder about the mindset of such people.
Amy Pascal & Kevin Feige discuss how the Marvel/Sony partnership has gone (the original interview was with the NYT, but it’s paywalled, which this story isn’t): https://variety.com/2021/film/news/...jvprYN14H4UIllPP-e5HLn6Qs7AC4VpGM8r8vPPin493s
A few things I forgot to mention in my review:
I loved Ned's mini-existential crisis upon finding out about both versions of Harry Osborn. He didn't want to hurt his Peter like they did! The very fact that he freaked out by that so much shows what a good friend he was.
I also loved the mini-arc he had regarding magic, starting with his grandmother's familial superstitions to him using the sling ring, which lead to the Strange genuinely impressed. Plus, Ned looked great with the Cloak of Levitation! I hope that thread is continued in some fashion in subsequent Spidey films, even if I would prefer the more grounded, isolated setting the film left Peter at.
Going into this film, I wasn't sure how the title "No Way Home" would fit into the themes of the film, especially when it became clear (just from the trailers) that Peter wouldn't be hoping around through the multiverse like I initially thought after the first leaks occurred. But then it hit me during the climax: Peter having to make the selfless sacrifice to actually follow through with memory wiping was how he couldn't get back home.
I loved Ned's mini-existential crisis upon finding out about both versions of Harry Osborn. He didn't want to hurt his Peter like they did! The very fact that he freaked out by that so much shows what a good friend he was.
I also loved the mini-arc he had regarding magic, starting with his grandmother's familial superstitions to him using the sling ring, which lead to the Strange genuinely impressed. Plus, Ned looked great with the Cloak of Levitation! I hope that thread is continued in some fashion in subsequent Spidey films, even if I would prefer the more grounded, isolated setting the film left Peter at.
Going into this film, I wasn't sure how the title "No Way Home" would fit into the themes of the film, especially when it became clear (just from the trailers) that Peter wouldn't be hoping around through the multiverse like I initially thought after the first leaks occurred. But then it hit me during the climax: Peter having to make the selfless sacrifice to actually follow through with memory wiping was how he couldn't get back home.
I don't disagree, but then if they did that, then they'd also have to do an Andrew Garfield post credit scene where he runs into his universe's MJ and they recreate the "jackpot" scene . . . and now the movie would have like 4 post credit scenes and that's probably too many.
I very much hope, for the BR/4K/D+ release, that they go back and do that (combining the two above into one segment). Either that or find a way to incorporate it into the Spiderverse sequel. Andrew's Peter, especially, really really needs that happy ending.
I had a feeling that random old guy in the coffee shop at the end of the movie was somebody making a cameo; turns out it was Avi Arad, former CEO of Marvel Comics and Producer on the majority of non-MCU Marvel movies from Blade onwards.
(He also gets a massive shout-out in the credits.)
(He also gets a massive shout-out in the credits.)
Yes, but only if it's Michael B. Jordan as MJ, who was Garfield's fan-casting for the role.I don't disagree, but then if they did that, then they'd also gave to do an Andrew Garfield post credit scene where he runs into his universe's MJ and they recreate the "jackpot" scene . . . and now the movie would have like 4 post credit scenes and that's probably too many.
A couple of production stories that seem to be circling around:
Kristen Dunst was never considered for the film. John Watts, the director, had intended for Toby to reveal he and Mary Jane had split for good, but this was shot down by Kevin.
Jaimie Foxx's cost didn't help the budget any.
Keaton got cut because he took the Morbius appearance, Marvel wanted to keep him close to the MCU and not wander off into Sony's other spin-offs
Source? And track record of accuracy from said source?
There's someone who goes by Dean Winchester on GallifreyBase who says he works for Marvel (Studio or Comics isn't clear, but he seems to be close to Feige) and has been sharing these nuggets. He says the film was a deeply troubled production, that everyone knew it was going to be a mess, that Tom Holland is burned out on the role, etc.
Yeah, there's no way that's a load of horseshit. I mean who could question credentials like that!?
Anyway, something that just randomly dawned on me: the bit where Peter's astral form gets knocked out of his physical one seems like it's indicating that the source of his powers may be more mystical than what could for lack of a better term be called "conventionally scientific." Not only was his body able to react even with local time slowed down, but it was still anticipating in a way that as Strange said, should be impossible. You could also see some wavy distortion lines around Peter's head that kinda look like the "spidey sense" lines as drawn in the classic comics (and also visually quoted in Spider-Verse.)
So it's not just quick reflexes, it's an actual ESP ability, seemingly tapping into the astral plain or even the quantum realm (which makes more sense given how weird time works down there.) Which kinda begs the question; what was the deal with the spider that bit him? Probably not some genetic experiment like the ones that turned Toby-Peter & Garfield-Peter, and probably more like the freaky cross-multiversal one that bit Miles in 'Into the Spider-Verse'.
Maybe in future movies they'll get into the mystical side of all things spider related, like Madame Web, Araña and the Spider Society etc.
Anyway, something that just randomly dawned on me: the bit where Peter's astral form gets knocked out of his physical one seems like it's indicating that the source of his powers may be more mystical than what could for lack of a better term be called "conventionally scientific." Not only was his body able to react even with local time slowed down, but it was still anticipating in a way that as Strange said, should be impossible. You could also see some wavy distortion lines around Peter's head that kinda look like the "spidey sense" lines as drawn in the classic comics (and also visually quoted in Spider-Verse.)
So it's not just quick reflexes, it's an actual ESP ability, seemingly tapping into the astral plain or even the quantum realm (which makes more sense given how weird time works down there.) Which kinda begs the question; what was the deal with the spider that bit him? Probably not some genetic experiment like the ones that turned Toby-Peter & Garfield-Peter, and probably more like the freaky cross-multiversal one that bit Miles in 'Into the Spider-Verse'.
Maybe in future movies they'll get into the mystical side of all things spider related, like Madame Web, Araña and the Spider Society etc.
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Yeah, I also thought it could be showcasing the mystical side of Spidey; with the spider totems etc. but I just think they were just showing the abilities of his spider sense. You can see the lines above his head that are similar to how it is portrayed in the comic books.
Great points there (I also noticed the wavy distortion around Peter's head in this film...I sure wish that had been present in his previous appearances) and I think you might be onto something. While obviously we didn't see Peter's origin this time around because we had already seen it twice over and there was no need for it in the MCU, its absence does give writers of the future films the flexibility of indeed something on the more mystical side.
Gave it an A, was very impressed, glad to see Daredevil "I'm a good lawyer" and all the rest, Didn't realize Tobey was 46.. guess it has been that long. Do wish they would have shown a "May day" daughter scene.. and as said, give Andrew's an MJ 
Leaves open alot for future Tom Spidey films, but if he is burnt' out on it, let him take some time, be post collage, or him as a professor. Many comics on an older Spidey, don't always have to be in highschool.
Also.. Tom Spidey didn't have an Uncle Ben? huh..
Go a sidekick route with Miles Morales..
Leaves open alot for future Tom Spidey films, but if he is burnt' out on it, let him take some time, be post collage, or him as a professor. Many comics on an older Spidey, don't always have to be in highschool.
Also.. Tom Spidey didn't have an Uncle Ben? huh..
Go a sidekick route with Miles Morales..
