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Spoilers Spider-Man: Homecoming-- Grading and Discussion

How do you grade "Spider-Man: Homecoming"?

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I gave it a B+.
I haven't really liked a single Marvel movie since GoTG1 and this breaks a streak of mediocre offerings IMO. It wasn't great but it did do a good job of setting up the villain and it gave enough service to the shared universe that Spider-Man felt like part of a bigger world. The flashback to CA Civil War reminded me of why I seriously hated that film but that only lasted a couple of minutes.

Like all Marvel movies, this one did things that a DC movie would get killed for, but I digress.
 
LJones41 said:
Then what is the point of including both him and Pepper in the movie?
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They're done with solo Iron Man movies but not the characters. Contracts, actors, and a million other factors are the reason for this.
But ultimately, it's a shared universe, get used to it. It's why Black Panther was not introduced in his solo movie and Bruce Banner's relationship with Black Widow wasn't in his or her solo movie.
 
LJones41 said:
Then what is the point of including both him and Pepper in the movie? If the MCU had wanted Tony and Pepper back together, they could have done another solo Iron Man film.
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Marvel asked him if he wanted to do an Iron Man 4 or co-star in Civil War. Guess what he went for ?

Another Iron Man film is off the table.
 
I can't believe this. Instead, they shove these Tony/Pepper information and moments in other solo films.
 
I don't really see where we needed to see them get back together, all that really matters there is that they are. Besides, this wasn't Tony's movie, and giving them any more than we got here would have just been an unncessary distraction from Peter's story. We still have the two Avengers movies coming up for Tony, so we could always get more details about their relationship in one of them.
LJones41 said:
Two months? Wow! Enough time for the government to film new PSA video clips.
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Are they new? I think he was wearing his first Avengers costume, so it seems to me that that might mean they were filmed back somewhere between it and TWS.
 
M'rk son of Mogh said:
It's called "comedy". Sometimes things are done in a movie simply to be funny.
It obviously didn't work for you, but the theatre I was in seemed to really enjoy them all.
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I thought it was a great satirical jab at the state of education. Always stuck with outdated material and government mandated programs. In this case, the school system is "required" to show these videos which the kids and even the teachers could care less about.
 
theenglish said:
I thought it was a great satirical jab at the state of education. Always stuck with outdated material and government mandated programs. In this case, the school system is "required" to show these videos which the kids and even the teachers could care less about.
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Anecdotally, my manager came into work this morning excited to talk about the movie. The literal first thing she said after asking if we saw it was how funny ahe though the Captain America PSAs were.

Most people went to highschool, understood what they were doing and like the joke. A few don't. C'est la vie.
 
Grade: B+
Highly enjoyable film. Tom Holland is a superb Peter Parker, something that the Andrew Garfield version never achieved, failing right out of the gate.
It still doesn't best Spider-man 2(Maguire) for best live action film though.
Pros:
  • Holland as Peter/SM
  • Keaton as Toombs/Vulture
  • The minor inclusion of the Shocker genesis.
  • Mac Gargan on the boat and mid-credit sequence, aka The Scorpion. Just who are his "friends"?
  • Ned, that actor and Holland had great chemistry
  • Donald Glover as "a" Prowler. Prowler is Hobie Brown to me they are using the Ultimate version of Aaron Davis because the casual mention of him having a nephew. Now that would be Miles Morales, so long game plans could be afoot.
  • The didn't see it coming plot twist of Toombs being Liz Allen's dad!!
  • Happy Hogan in a solid support role in lieu of too much actual Tony Stark. Pepper Potts!!
  • The jazzed up Spider-man Avenger suit which I hope we see in action for Avengers Infinity War
  • The Captain America "cameos" and end credit sequence!! LOL!!
  • No mention or hint of Osborn. I felt they would try to squeeze a mention of name drop in cause they "felt" they must...and they didn't!!
  • How they wove this story into the backdrop of the MCU
  • We got a complete H.S. Spider-man story. And likely could in a sequel as Peter is a Sophomore or Junior(I don't recall we were told), cause Ned emphasizes how big a deal it is to get a Senior girl. Even Rami's SM1 only has Peter in HS for the first half of the film.
MEH:
  • Aunt May: she just didn't have any real impact like other Mays seemingly have had
  • Spider-suit: a little too much Stark-esque but I allow for that given how they've written him late in the game for MCU inclusion.
  • Liz Allen: she was adequate in the roll, cute at times, likable even but only stood out a little over the other H.S. cast
Cons:
The H.S. supporting cast outside Ned was butchered and dull. The debate coach/teacher was funny in his own way.
  • Flash never felt like the bully I expect. He was a nerd bully of sorts, an actual peer to Peter which is not what the dynamic of those two is about. They are intellectual and physical opposites, not here.
  • Michelle, or the worst kept secret since Cumberbatch as Khan, MJ, is technically not Mary Jane but they went with MJ to what be sly/coy/ironic? The name thing aside I didn't enjoy her blasé characterization at all. Her "too cool" for the other 'nerds' approach felt very off to me because at every turn she still was there, in the group dynamic. That doesn't jive with the blasé attitude she put off. She wouldn't be pool side, she wouldn't be at that party (or was she?) cause she wouldn't feel the need to be involved, it's beneath her or not interesting enough.
  • Betty Brant being a very minor "of age" peer instead of an older woman Peter will eventually have a crush on. Her inclusion felt ham fisted to me.
Where is his Spider-Sense? That ability doesn't just alert him to deathly danger it alerts him of presences and then based on the familiarity or lack thereof it's triggered with more or less intensity. At any rate Ned nor Aunt May should've been able to "sneak-up" on him and make their discoveries.
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While I enjoyed all the exposition and time spent getting to know Peter as he gets to know his suit and we the cast it did feel like it was dragging in places. I can see a few chapter skips upon subsequent home viewings.

Ranking Time:
1. Spider-Man 2
2. Homecoming
3. Spider-man 1
4. Spider-man 3
5. TASM
6. TASM 2
 
Captain Craig said:
Ranking Time:
1. Spider-Man 2
2. Homecoming
3. Spider-man 1
4. Spider-man 3
5. TASM
6. TASM 2
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My ranking is very similar to yours. I would actually consider Spider Man (1) and Homecoming to be equally entertaining, but would give Spider-Man the edge simply because I am an old-school fan of the character and Raimi's movies are the more classic version of the character and his supporting cast that I grew up with.
 
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LJones41 said:
Two months? Wow! Enough time for the government to film new PSA video clips. And why would an American school go ahead and show a PSA video clip featuring a wanted man to its students, knowing that he is wanted?

Why not just drum it up to sloppy writing? It's not the only form of sloppy writing in the movie. And nearly every film in existence has bloopers of some kind. Why pretend that the writing in this film, let alone any film, is flawless?
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No one is saying the movie is "flawless" there's plenty of flaws in it, (see: the kid hacking into the Spider-Man suit which has a Stark Industries AI in it.)

And two months isn't quite enough time to film new PSAs and get them distributed to schools and have them universally used. This is you being overly nitpicky and needlessly pedantic. Schools use old PSAs all of the time, schools -particularly today- are understaffed and underfunded, even if new PSAs were available they may not have enough liquid capital to spend on them when they have perfectly good ones to use. Sure, Cap is a "war criminal" in some sense or another but he's also a noteworthy hero who's saved the planet three times now, four if you include what he did in WW2, and is likely still seen is a role model to high schoolers who couldn't care less about some international "accords" signed a couple months ago.

Schools use old, outdated, stuff all of the time, they don't always have the funds to update things, buy new things or stay fresh and corners are needed to be cut. This is seriously being majorly nitpicky and needlessly so. There's other things to pick on in this movie than the running joke of the Cap PSAs.

It's near the beginning of the school year (likely, since that's usually when Homecoming events take place) why spend the money on new PSAs when they can do the job just as well when that money can be better spent paying teachers and maintaining the buildings?
 
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JaseTheAce said:
Like all Marvel movies, this one did things that a DC movie would get killed for, but I digress.
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Like what, exactly?

Captain Craig said:
Where is his Spider-Sense? That ability doesn't just alert him to deathly danger it alerts him of presences and then based on the familiarity or lack thereof it's triggered with more or less intensity. At any rate Ned nor Aunt May should've been able to "sneak-up" on him and make their discoveries.
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The Spider-Sense warns him of danger. May and Ned are not considered dangerous to him, so the Spider-Sense wouldn't have reacted to either of them.
 
I suspect his "spider-sense" is just as fallible as any other sense, focusing on something else, too much distraction, etc. senses get overwhelmed and you miss things. There were plenty of times in the other Spider-man movies where the "spider sense" seems to not work and Peter gets attacked. (Notably in the ring with Bonesaw.)

Peter says in Civil War he feels his senses are dialed to 11 so wearing the mask with the restricted vision through helps him focus. The spider-sense is there, the movie just didn't make a big show of it like has been done in the past sort of how Daredevil's "blind vision" isn't much focused on int he Daredevil series.
 
Didn't Peter's spider sense go off in school while he was with Ned when the bad guys showed up with the alien tech detector? It was subtle, but he did mention it if I remember correctly.

Also, the ignore feature is wonderful
 
I think the idea of his Spidey sense being something that needs to be honed and practiced can be developed in future movies. I read the articles about toning it down for this movie and I was fine with that. Spider-Man has been suckered punched in the comics so it didn't seem out of place here.
 
Anwar said:
Like what, exactly?
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Well, fighting on a crowded public ferry for one. I know the plot needed a big dangerous fight scene, but if say, Superman decided to fight a villain that out-classed him in a public space causing a large amount of collateral damage, we'd here about it for 10 years.

But this is a MCU movie so nothing bad happened and everyone came out okay. (Waits on the next season of Jessica Jones to hear how some bystander was killed in on the Staten Island Ferry)
 
Well, a good version of Superman could stop even a villain that outclasses him from causing a lot of accidental deaths, because most versions of Superman are actually good at what they do regardless of how much experience they have. But yeah, Broody Murderman probably would have let a lot of people die, probably by actively throwing the bad guy through the ferry
 
kirk55555 said:
Well, a good version of Superman could stop even a villain that outclasses him from causing a lot of accidental deaths, because most versions of Superman are actually good at what they do regardless of how much experience they have. But yeah, Broody Murderman probably would have let a lot of people die, probably by actively throwing the bad guy through the ferry
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Please don't give Stan Lee any more ideas.
 
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