Spherebuilders
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I think they definitely fit the bill. Aside from their Galacti-forming efforts, essentially what the Sphere-builders were doing was manipulating the timeline to effectively wipe out Earth before it gained enough prominance to form the Federation and oppose them in the future.
Being out-of-towners they did a very sloppy job of it. They manipulated the fearful & reactionary Xindi to do their bidding presumably because they were close to earth and convenient; capable of the deed, and just a bit crazy, the Xindi proved to be a perfect patsy. If the Sphere-builders would have chosen a time frame even 5 years earlier they would have had little trouble. But maybe that's the way things had always happened anyway and it was a predestination Paradox. Oy.
Regardless, Daniels' faction seemed obviously directly opposed to the SB's goals, I don't even remember how the Suliban fit into the mix, but apparently they, the Klingons, the Tholians, the Na'kuhl, and some form or descendant of the Federation, were also involved. But none of it was really elaborated upon.
^^It was Future Guy (the Suliban Cabal's sponsor) who tipped Archer off to the Xindi in the first place. Evidently the Sphere Builders were a common enemy whose agenda was inimical to all the other TCW factions, because they would've made the galaxy unlivable for all of them.
As for the Klingons and Tholians, they were evidently "involved" in the same way that Archer and the Suliban were -- some members of their respective species/civilizations were being supported by future agents and used to pursue various goals in their own eras.
As for the Klingons and Tholians, they were evidently "involved" in the same way that Archer and the Suliban were -- some members of their respective species/civilizations were being supported by future agents and used to pursue various goals in their own eras.
^ Ah, Senator Lieberman! Yes, I know him--though, admittedly, only from Harvey Birdman and the Daily Show.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
EDIT: In reply to trampledamage (didn't see the second page, grumble mumble).
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
EDIT: In reply to trampledamage (didn't see the second page, grumble mumble).
If the other factions were even all that aware of the SB's incursions. It seems like Vosk and the Na'kuhl were originators of the initial temporal conflicts and had little connection to anything involving the Sphere-Builders.
We never did really know who the Future Guy was, we knew he had a vested interest in stirring up trouble in the Klingon Empire of "the past" and actively had the Suliban attempting to obtain advanced tech on his behalf on more than one occasion.
It seems his fate is tied more directly to Archer's, or at least the Federation and its neighbors, since his disappearance coincided with Archer's and the "destruction of the future Federation" in Shockwave. It would follow that he would have a vested interest in preventing the Xindi destroying the Earth. But without knowing FG's identity, or actual modus operandi, it can't be said the SB's we even aware of any time-manipulating opposition.
There's definitely more than one conflict here, apparently through many eras, and definitely involving multiple factions. While there may be a simple logic to the idea that the SB's could have been a common enemy to all the other TCW factions, it's not really supported by any evidence. Fun idea though. All of this stuff could do with some expansion.
There's nothing in my statement that requires them to be. Since their efforts would have been inimical to all the other factions' survival, any given factions that were aware of them would see them as a common enemy.
No, Vosk didn't originate the TCW, he just escalated it into a "hot" war, actively changing history rather than settling for the more subtle, indirect manipulation that was standard. Which prompted the other factions to retaliate, bringing things to a head and closing out the 22nd-century front of the TCW.
I don't think it's possible to say there were any "original" temporal combatants. By its very nature, the TCW would span many eras of history and would have no clear beginning or end, just various periods throughout history where the efforts of the various time-travelling factions were concentrated. It probably began as various unrelated factions throughout time pursuing their own agendas and overlapping each other's efforts.
The implication was that FG was trying to prevent the creation of the Federation. The events of "Shockwave" may have had consequences FG didn't intend, just as Daniels' act of removing Archer from history had the unexpected consequence of changing the timeline so that Earth was in ruins.
His reason for resisting the Sphere Builders wasn't about Earth. Again, the reason the SBs attacked Earth was to prevent the creation of the UFP, which prevented their invasion in the 26th century. If they had succeeded in remaking the galaxy in the 26th century, then Future Guy's civilization in the 29th century would not be able to exist. FG wasn't trying to protect Earth, he was trying to protect his own civilization.
Although, on second thought, if he was aware of the threat from the SBs, he couldn't have wanted to destroy the UFP. Maybe his own history was changed when the SBs first intruded into our universe, but I'm not sure that makes sense. Oh, well.
They didn't have to be. When I say they were a common enemy of Archer and FG, that doesn't require them to be aware of that enmity; it just means their actions endanger everyone else and give the other factions reason to unite against them. Perhaps "common threat" would be a better way of expressing it.
Time travel gives me a headache.
OTOH, I know of only three people who could a Q&A-style TCW trilogy justice, depending on how it was meant to be done. If we want it to be on the slightly humourous side, then Greg Cox can do it like he did with Khan. If we want it to be science heavy, it's up to Christopher, and if we just want it to be big and epic, it would be perfect for David R George III.
I think that a trilogy like that would clear up all the confusion regarding the TCW and the factions and the time travel events that occurred in Trek.
OTOH, I know of only three people who could a Q&A-style TCW trilogy justice, depending on how it was meant to be done. If we want it to be on the slightly humourous side, then Greg Cox can do it like he did with Khan. If we want it to be science heavy, it's up to Christopher, and if we just want it to be big and epic, it would be perfect for David R George III.
I think that a trilogy like that would clear up all the confusion regarding the TCW and the factions and the time travel events that occurred in Trek.
I would say that even though a TCW story could easily involve familiar characters from all periods, it should still have a bit heavier of a focus on the ENT characters, since that was the origination of the concept. As such, I think they should wait until they've given the Romulan War its due, since that's another key concept that a lot of us have been waiting for for a long time. After that's explored well enough, though, I'd love to see some deeper exploration of the TCW, and I think there's definitely a lot that can be done with it.
Of course, if any author is given to decide who Future Guy is, I don't think there's any way it couldn't be a controversial reveal, since there are so many diverse theories and expectations about it (it almost seems like one of those things it's just better not to know).
Of course, if any author is given to decide who Future Guy is, I don't think there's any way it couldn't be a controversial reveal, since there are so many diverse theories and expectations about it (it almost seems like one of those things it's just better not to know).
Didn't Silik save the NX-01 from destruction in "Cold Front"? At exactly the time Daniels came forward to tell Archer that Silik was up to no good? Not exactly consistent, is it...
It was meant to be mysterious, to keep us guessing about who was on which side. But it was never really explained thereafter.
Oh, I'm not disagreeing. But it does point to Future Guy having a somewhat larger agenda-- without him, history wouldn't have unfolded as it "should have"!
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