Speculation on other Starships we might encounter?

[Timo]

An indirect result of the kitbashing is that Starfleet ships again appear to be of roughly uniform size. Is that just indicative of the range of types one can summon to a frontier engagement, or are we deprived forever of the sight of a Starfleet counterpart to that Klingon monster?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Mirror Mirror]

I am not seeing kitbashes here. We see some shared features, but they are not the same size and sometimes not totally the same shape. I think they went with a uniform kinda feel to go with what trek has often done, but I am simply not seeing kitbashing here.

 

[NOVE9]

I wouldn't say they are kitbashes either, the saucer sections are different on each ship as well as the nacelles (Feel like such a rebel using that term in this time period). I also wouldn't say there is negligible weapons fire in that 2 second shot.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

I wouldn't say they are kitbashes either, the saucer sections are different on each ship as well as the nacelles (Feel like such a rebel using that term in this time period). I also wouldn't say there is negligible weapons fire in that 2 second shot.

the only thing I see shared is the deflector dish. And that is more a style than the same dish on every ship. even the Nacells do not all look the same, they sometimes share a style, but are not the same nacell.

 

[Timo]

I also wouldn't say there is negligible weapons fire in that 2 second shot.

What I mean is that it's not negligible for Star Trek, which makes it Star Trek. In "real" space war fought with weapons having the Trek characteristics, there shouldn't be any black in that picture - each ship should be firing at least ten beams all the time and filling the sky with at least thousands but preferably millions of projectiles.

The ships have demonstrably reached engagement range: they should engage, then, rather than wait it out. And to engage should mean to offload the entire arsenal in a split second and then retire. After all, it's not as if there could even theoretically be a miss there.

It's Trek because there are some Secret Rules by which it's not a good idea to fire even when one can...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Fandango831]

What I like about this shot is we can now clearly see the Europa and we can now infer that it rams the rear port-side quarter of the Klingon Sarcophagus ship maybe in a last ditch assault (considering now the size difference in this shot to the ramming sequence). Otherwise I'm enjoying the new ships even if they are still just standard Trek kitbashing.

 

[Tuskin38]

I wouldn't say they are kitbashes either, the saucer sections are different on each ship as well as the nacelles (Feel like such a rebel using that term in this time period).

The term nacelle to describe the warp engines was used in TOS about 5 times, no need to feel like a rebel.

It isn’t a TNG+ era thing.

 

[Timo]

...And of course TNG+ terminology would actually be TOS- as well, because ENT.

People using ENT expressions such as "warp core" as late as the 2250s would simply be old farts and weirdos, only to be redeemed a century later.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[NOVE9]

The term nacelle to describe the warp engines was used in TOS about 5 times, no need to feel like a rebel.

It isn’t a TNG+ era thing.

I was only joking.

 

[Longinus]

Those huge Klingon ships bother me. Klingons traditionally had ships that were slightly smaller than their Fed counterparts, it is the Romulans (and tv/movie producers) who have the giant ship fetish.

 

[Fandango831]

Those huge Klingon ships bother me. Klingons traditionally had ships that were slightly smaller than their Fed counterparts, it is the Romulans (and tv/movie producers) who have the giant ship fetish.

I'd agree with you except for sure the Sarcophagus ship is one of a kind or from a very small group of ships in terms of its religious purposes 200 yrs prior, and without knowing more about the T'Kumva house fleets origins those ships could easily be just as particular considering the houses obsession with warfare and its apparent ties to the War House of Kahless. It's very possible the majority of the Klingon fleets are still "traditional" but these ships are either from a different era or serve a much more aggressive purpose. Hopefully we get to learn plenty more as the show airs.

 

[Noname Given]

...Relieved to see this is still Star Trek, with point blank engagement ranges, a single plane of orientation, a single plane of action, and negilgible volume of fire. Whew!

Timo Saloniemi

To be fair - there is a animated GIF floating around that shows a ship taking heavy fire that some people think is a 'new' ship - but it honestly looks like the U.S.S. Shenzhou flying inverted (IE upside down) in relation to the majority of other ships show in the battle.

 

[MvRojo]

To be fair - there is a animated GIF floating around that shows a ship taking heavy fire that some people think is a 'new' ship - but it honestly looks like the U.S.S. Shenzhou flying inverted (IE upside down) in relation to the majority of other ships show in the battle.

But that upside down ship doesn't have the red markings that the Shenzhou has on the top of the saucer.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

I'm not seeing a huge amount of diversity in these ships. Most look like Miranda variants to me. The one with four nacelles stands out as unique, but otherwise... What I'm definitely NOT seeing are starships with secondary hulls. Are we supposed to understand that Discovery is one of the first to go this route (and of course the 13 Connies flying around somewhere else).

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

I'm not seeing a huge amount of diversity in these ships. Most look like Miranda variants to me. The one with four nacelles stands out as unique, but otherwise... What I'm definitely NOT seeing are starships with secondary hulls. Are we supposed to understand that Discovery is one of the first to go this route (and of course the 13 Connies flying around somewhere else).

That could be, it seems logical that there would be fewer ships with secondary hulls. It might not be that Discovery is the first but rather there are just not as many. It stands to reason that there would be fewer ships with secondary hulls if the purpose of those larger ships is to support long-range and exploratory missions in an earlier stage of Starfleet. The the bulk of the fleet might be made up of shorter-range single-single hulled ships. And if the Federation is expanding, it might be that for a while the Miranda/NX style ships were enough to support expansion, but in this day in age the production of larger ships with secondary-hulls are more appropriate to venture out further. Then as we get into the 24th century, the wide expanse of the Federation might require many more ships with secondary hulls as resources become more abundant and starship building and design become more efficient.

 

[Tuskin38]

But that upside down ship doesn't have the red markings that the Shenzhou has on the top of the saucer.

Also the nacelles and nacelle struts are different. It is not the Shenzhou. Unless it gets a refit at some point.

but it honestly looks like the U.S.S. Shenzhou flying inverted

If it is the Shenzhou she gets a refit at some point.

That ship has different nacelles and struts, plus it is missing the red markings.

 

[publiusr]

"The Apollo-class was a class of Federation starship in operation during the 24th century.

Apollo is a bit like Antares
http://old.trekipedia.com/file/apollo_class-starfleet/
http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/tacticalcruiser_gage.jpg
https://pre05.deviantart.net/fb4d/th/pre/i/2006/140/3/b/u_s_s__gage_apollo_class_by_nekosei.jpg

It could be anything.

 

[Tuskin38]

None of what you linked is canon though.

 

[Timo]

...It would be fun for the DSC folks to cleverly slip in ship designs we "know" "must" "canonically" exist around this time - everything from TOS and especially TAS, that McQuarrie ship peeking from around the corner in ST3, etc. Or then something so clearly related to those that it's basically proof that the TOS/TAS/ST3 stuff is from the same universe, too.

Then again, such things popping up may be statistically unrealistic in-universe...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[WarpFactorZ]

...that McQuarrie ship peeking from around the corner in ST3, etc.

That wasn't a McQuarrie ship -- it was the Discovery!

Canon preserved!