News SpaceX heavy-lift vehicles: Launch Thread
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Not convinced ejecting from a centrifuge will do you much good!
More boosters! That's what needed! That's always the solution, you can never go wrong with two many boosters!
some of the silliness I have done of putting a kerbal in suborbital space using lots of those initial garbage can stages you start with using explosive hot staging, remind me of this comment.
Struts and boosters and you'll get anywhere
Well thank god no one was onboard that was nasty
To quote the captain: What does god need with starship?
The rocket performed admirably. The goal was to not destroy the tower, it didn't, job done.
The extra data recorded from the flight will iterate back into the next time, the explosive self-sealing stembolts which connect the upper stage to the lower will have their bugs ironed out, and next time it will get further
The interstage seems to have stoved in.
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/spacex-general-discussion.13774/page-145#post-592855
That's why it was doing those Immelmann turns.
Some chatter there.
Keep your tankage distant
boom
https://weather.com/science/space/video/watch-spacex-starship-super-heavy-booster-explode
LOVELY cut-away
https://astrodrom.com/en/spacenews/starship-sn15-cutaway-by-starship-3d-at-ideenexpo-22/
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwSm2t4aUAA0aOg?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/spacex-general-discussion.13774/page-145#post-592855
That's why it was doing those Immelmann turns.
Some chatter there.
Keep your tankage distant
boom
https://weather.com/science/space/video/watch-spacex-starship-super-heavy-booster-explode
LOVELY cut-away
https://astrodrom.com/en/spacenews/starship-sn15-cutaway-by-starship-3d-at-ideenexpo-22/
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwSm2t4aUAA0aOg?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
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it would be almost funny if they end up having to do an N1 style lattice interstage to get around that problem
Well, Starship's ignition would probably not be good for SuperHeavy's top bulkhead...ALS/NLS parallel staging may be the best fix. Musk is going to have two cores kiss and swap propellant anyway.
Gee, I wonder what a successful in-line version of that would look like...
http://www.astronautix.com/n/nls.html
Nah....it'd never work.
As for the recent Super Heavy attempt?
Gee, I wonder what a successful in-line version of that would look like...
http://www.astronautix.com/n/nls.html
Nah....it'd never work.
As for the recent Super Heavy attempt?
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What was the term they used to describe the event? Random something? It just sounded kind of funny hearing it on the news but can't recall the actual term "random unexpected disassembly"
Like who says that kind of thing?
Like who says that kind of thing?
it's not an uncommon term for launch failures.
they'd have to rethink everything if they did that. You're thinking like F9 cores as side boosters?
that pic was taken slightly after or before the FTS was engaged and by that point it was already cartwheeling so it's not the cause of it
Manley seemed to believe it deformed on its second MaxQ…I don’t remember seeing the time stamp….
Pad fix pix?
https://twitter.com/DrSKPruschinski/status/1650878238485360644?s=20
Cores may be iterated faster than the pad.
It might be easier to put an outer support ring around that pad with flame diverters around it.
Solids could get even a heavier, reinforced core moving faster….but I might want to keep the solids attached until Starship separates to make the stack less top-heavy.
The solids are what kept SLS on the pad in the hurricane after all.
And solids can help support the stack…anchored past the damaged stool.
Musk could talk to some solids people who may jump at the chance to help.
Chunk solids after Starship is away, and catch the core.
I have seen solids with nozzles almost at a 45 degree angle…maybe they and or Falcons could be a cage for SuperHeavy…separate strap-on cage on the way DOWN.
What broke her back was the full dog (Starship) wagged it’s tail (empty SuperHeavy).
Invert that…give Starship a stable platform.
We have to have a brace around that pad and that first stage both.
Or go with parallel staging as in most ALS/NLS….cores will have to be side by side anyway for refueling.
Make SuperHeavy taller, round the nose off like the bullet. Starship next to it like a giant POLYUS. All engines on both stages lit at ground level, for visibility.
I might go with the solid option to get NorGrum interested in a partnership.
SuperHeavy could lift more to orbit, limit refueling and make the energetics folk happy.
Then pare back to all liquids maybe.
—then SLS with an air-start RS-68 can be in place of Starship for some missions as a huge high energy upper stage. RS-25 might even burn methalox with conversion.
The stack broke her back…so put her and the pad both in a Stryker Frame.
This at least:
https://twitter.com/InfographicTony/status/1649645109917655042?cxt=HHwWhIDR4Zff2-QtAAAA
Choice B or C filled with concrete perhaps.
Pad fix pix?
https://twitter.com/DrSKPruschinski/status/1650878238485360644?s=20
Cores may be iterated faster than the pad.
It might be easier to put an outer support ring around that pad with flame diverters around it.
Solids could get even a heavier, reinforced core moving faster….but I might want to keep the solids attached until Starship separates to make the stack less top-heavy.
The solids are what kept SLS on the pad in the hurricane after all.
And solids can help support the stack…anchored past the damaged stool.
Musk could talk to some solids people who may jump at the chance to help.
Chunk solids after Starship is away, and catch the core.
I have seen solids with nozzles almost at a 45 degree angle…maybe they and or Falcons could be a cage for SuperHeavy…separate strap-on cage on the way DOWN.
What broke her back was the full dog (Starship) wagged it’s tail (empty SuperHeavy).
Invert that…give Starship a stable platform.
We have to have a brace around that pad and that first stage both.
Or go with parallel staging as in most ALS/NLS….cores will have to be side by side anyway for refueling.
Make SuperHeavy taller, round the nose off like the bullet. Starship next to it like a giant POLYUS. All engines on both stages lit at ground level, for visibility.
I might go with the solid option to get NorGrum interested in a partnership.
SuperHeavy could lift more to orbit, limit refueling and make the energetics folk happy.
Then pare back to all liquids maybe.
—then SLS with an air-start RS-68 can be in place of Starship for some missions as a huge high energy upper stage. RS-25 might even burn methalox with conversion.
The stack broke her back…so put her and the pad both in a Stryker Frame.
This at least:
https://twitter.com/InfographicTony/status/1649645109917655042?cxt=HHwWhIDR4Zff2-QtAAAA
Choice B or C filled with concrete perhaps.
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The Battle for Starship
I wonder how long it will be before the History Channel finds the Boca ruins and say they were made by aliens
Ha!
https://twitter.com/SpaceXMR/status...faultversion=73cb1b48d567a22ee9e1f31979287652
I wonder how long it will be before the History Channel finds the Boca ruins and say they were made by aliens
Ha!
https://twitter.com/SpaceXMR/status...faultversion=73cb1b48d567a22ee9e1f31979287652
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I'm glad those guys give credit where it's due to the engineers and especially Gwynne Shotwell. She's indispensable.
Safeing the Raptors
I see the Raptor 3 has 17% more thrust, as per Next Big Future…a SuperHeavy with those would have 19 million pounds of thrust.
That’s good.
My neighbors up north wanted to do better than that with one engine:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22068.0;attach=1092035;sess=0
I see the Raptor 3 has 17% more thrust, as per Next Big Future…a SuperHeavy with those would have 19 million pounds of thrust.
That’s good.
My neighbors up north wanted to do better than that with one engine:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22068.0;attach=1092035;sess=0
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