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Sorry but the Inner Light was ruined for me, didn't enjoy it so much

Re: Sorry but the Inner Light was ruined for me, didn't enjoy it so mu

Well, it came out of a cool episode, 'Parallels'. And wasn't followed up on that much.
It was good for Troi that they broke up, though (or bad if you dislike Troi), since Worf's women tend to have a lowered life expectancy. :rommie:

You ARE naughty!
 
Re: Sorry but the Inner Light was ruined for me, didn't enjoy it so mu

I think it is a great episode, but it isn't one of those episodes that I want to watch over and over again. Loved it the 1st time, now I find it a bit dull to get through.
 
Re: Sorry but the Inner Light was ruined for me, didn't enjoy it so mu

Well, it came out of a cool episode, 'Parallels'. And wasn't followed up on that much.
It was good for Troi that they broke up, though (or bad if you dislike Troi), since Worf's women tend to have a lowered life expectancy. :rommie:
You ARE naughty!

If Troi had stuck it out with Worf for a year or so, next thing we know he'd be doing the Klingon Death Scream over her bloodied corpse! :rommie:

She'd be better off as a cake...with mint frosting...
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Re: Sorry but the Inner Light was ruined for me, didn't enjoy it so mu

I think every fan knew that Picard wasn't really going to end up 120 years old on the Enterprise J. I don't think the Enterprise scenes added much to the story, but they also didn't hurt. Fans knew everything would be reset by the end of the episode. No mystery about that.
 
Re: Sorry but the Inner Light was ruined for me, didn't enjoy it so mu

I think every fan knew that Picard wasn't really going to end up 120 years old on the Enterprise J. I don't think the Enterprise scenes added much to the story, but they also didn't hurt. Fans knew everything would be reset by the end of the episode. No mystery about that.

Kinda missing the point
 
Re: Sorry but the Inner Light was ruined for me, didn't enjoy it so mu

This is probably a practical conceit from the show-runners point of view. I'm going to guess that they knew people might accidentally surf into the episode and have no idea it was Star Trek. So they threw in those scenes. I think that was before we had really evasive marquees popping up on channels, too, otherwise they could have just scrolled a "Don't worry -- You're still watching Star Trek the Next Generation!"
 
Re: Sorry but the Inner Light was ruined for me, didn't enjoy it so mu

I fully agree. I could handle the first and last scene aboard the Enterprise, but the other 4 interruptions only weakened the episode...
 
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Re: Sorry but the Inner Light was ruined for me, didn't enjoy it so mu

I just rewatch it because of this post. Such a beautiful story.
 
Re: Sorry but the Inner Light was ruined for me, didn't enjoy it so mu

Don't you feel cheated when an episode ends with "This was all a bad dream."? That is what it would have been if they had not cut back to the Enterprise during the dream sequence. There is no suspense to build up to when the conclusion is that none of it really happened. That is lame and it seems the writers were trying to avoid that.
 
Re: Sorry but the Inner Light was ruined for me, didn't enjoy it so mu

Though the first scene already established that the probe was doing something to Picard, no?
 
Re: Sorry but the Inner Light was ruined for me, didn't enjoy it so mu

Though the first scene already established that the probe was doing something to Picard, no?
So did it transport him to another world or what? You want to build suspense so that you can hit your audience with an "Oops, none of that really happened!"? I mean, writers do that sort of stuff all the time. Every show has a dream episode I guess. I just think it's lame and it was smart for the writers to avoid that.
 
Re: Sorry but the Inner Light was ruined for me, didn't enjoy it so mu

Though the first scene already established that the probe was doing something to Picard, no?
So did it transport him to another world or what? You want to build suspense so that you can hit your audience with an "Oops, none of that really happened!"? I mean, writers do that sort of stuff all the time. Every show has a dream episode I guess. I just think it's lame and it was smart for the writers to avoid that.

Exactly, thank you.
 
Re: Sorry but the Inner Light was ruined for me, didn't enjoy it so mu

I love this episode - every single thing about it. I guess the scenes on the Enterprise weren't absolutely necessary...but for me, they didn't detract from the overall effect. I just adore every bit of it.
 
Re: Sorry but the Inner Light was ruined for me, didn't enjoy it so mu

The whole episode would have been so awesome of only for one thing - if they didn't keep cutting back to Picard lying unconscious on the bridge!
It completely ruined any mystery or suspense and it became painfully obvious how the episode was going to end. That decision seriously tainted the episode for me, it was a great emotional episode, it didn't need the mystery revealed immediately or the accompanying intermittent technobabble.

Those are establishing scenes you HAVE to have them. I'm glad you're not writing for TV.:rolleyes:

RAMA
 
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The Inner Light is my all time favorite episode, of any TV show. Ever.

/sign me

TV watcher for 50 years.
 
Re: Sorry but the Inner Light was ruined for me, didn't enjoy it so mu

The whole episode would have been so awesome of only for one thing - if they didn't keep cutting back to Picard lying unconscious on the bridge!
It completely ruined any mystery or suspense and it became painfully obvious how the episode was going to end. That decision seriously tainted the episode for me, it was a great emotional episode, it didn't need the mystery revealed immediately or the accompanying intermittent technobabble.

Out of personal interest, was your impression based on your first viewing of the episode or after subsequent viewings?

The reason I ask is that when I first watched the episode (knowing nothing about it), what grabbed me was that somehow Picard is experienceing an entire lifetime somewhere, which he at first struggles against and then gradually and reluctantly accepts; and it's a life in which he is a husband, then a father, then a widower, then a grandfather.

And yet, with the cut backs to the Enterprise, we know that somehow - as all this is happening to him - that only minutes are actually passing and he is still physically present in the world that we know.

That was the mystery to me - how is this possible?

On subsequent viewings, I find myself fascinated by Kamin's lifestory (and Stewart's rendering of it) so that I get a little annoyed when the action shifts back to the Enterprise - but only because I already have the benefit of knowing what is going on there plot-development wise.

And so, on subsequent viewings what I want to see is the life that Picard/Kamin is experiencing.

Yet, for the purposes of plot-development, the cut backs to Enterprise are essential. The crew learns that the probe has linked itself to Picard so they try to cut it off - and in so doing we (as viewers) shift back to the planet to see the naming ceremony for his child and Kamin suffers a heart attack, which we realise is caused by the the Enterprise trying to free their captain.

I thought that the concept was clever and that the episode realised from it was exceptional.
 
Re: Sorry but the Inner Light was ruined for me, didn't enjoy it so mu

The whole episode would have been so awesome of only for one thing - if they didn't keep cutting back to Picard lying unconscious on the bridge!
It completely ruined any mystery or suspense and it became painfully obvious how the episode was going to end. That decision seriously tainted the episode for me, it was a great emotional episode, it didn't need the mystery revealed immediately or the accompanying intermittent technobabble.

Those are establishing scenes you HAVE to have them. I'm glad you're not writing for TV.:rolleyes:

RAMA

Sorry but that's almost as stupid as signing your name (which is also your profile name) at the end of every comment, there is no rule anywhere that says a tv show must do this and that- if there was, how would anyone ever come up with fresh ideas?
TV episodes are always more effective when the mystery is revealed slowly to us and this in fact has been utilised in dozens of tv episodes in dozens of tv shows.
I don't see how anyone enjoyed having almost the entire plot destroyed by them (probe comes along and beams stuff into Picard's brain - wow, how exciting and mysterious), the remaining mystery of why the probe is doing it is fairly obvious especially when you consider the planet appears to be dying from the get go.
 
Re: Sorry but the Inner Light was ruined for me, didn't enjoy it so mu

Don't you feel cheated when an episode ends with "This was all a bad dream."? That is what it would have been if they had not cut back to the Enterprise during the dream sequence. There is no suspense to build up to when the conclusion is that none of it really happened. That is lame and it seems the writers were trying to avoid that.

I don't feel cheated in the least -- and this is probably why intercutting to the Bridge doesn't bother me --- because the dream has such a profound, lasting effect on Picard. Ultimately, the nature of the experience (true out of body, dream, hallucination, artificial memory) doesn't matter because the experience itself is so visceral, so real that, for Picard, it *was* real -- regardless of what transpired during his experience.

To live an entire lifetime in the span of minutes is truly profound and, personally, I'm glad it wasn't given some perfunctory "reveal" at the end of the episode as a dream (think of the series finale to Newhart). Establishing its true nature early on with various returns to the bridge allows the audience to focus on the experience Picard is having, rather than spending time wondering about the nature of the experience.

Think about it ... life is so often filled with choices, and Picard chose a life of relative solitude as an explorer. And yet, through the Probe, he gets something he did not (and we would not) have: the chance to live a completely different life (in this case, a more domestic, but no less fulfilling one). Which is better? No one can really say. But Picard, at least, is able to experience both. And the journey is deeply moving. Knowing that it is happening within the span of minutes on the bridge merely reinforces that fact.

For me at least. :techman:
 
Re: Sorry but the Inner Light was ruined for me, didn't enjoy it so mu

I don't feel cheated in the least -- and this is probably why intercutting to the Bridge doesn't bother me --- because the dream has such a profound, lasting effect on Picard. Ultimately, the nature of the experience (true out of body, dream, hallucination, artificial memory) doesn't matter because the experience itself is so visceral, so real that, for Picard, it *was* real -- regardless of what transpired during his experience.

To live an entire lifetime in the span of minutes is truly profound and, personally, I'm glad it wasn't given some perfunctory "reveal" at the end of the episode as a dream (think of the series finale to Newhart). Establishing its true nature early on with various returns to the bridge allows the audience to focus on the experience Picard is having, rather than spending time wondering about the nature of the experience.

Think about it ... life is so often filled with choices, and Picard chose a life of relative solitude as an explorer. And yet, through the Probe, he gets something he did not (and we would not) have: the chance to live a completely different life (in this case, a more domestic, but no less fulfilling one). Which is better? No one can really say. But Picard, at least, is able to experience both. And the journey is deeply moving. Knowing that it is happening within the span of minutes on the bridge merely reinforces that fact.

For me at least. :techman:
Very well said. I completely agree. :techman:
 
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