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Sony Spider-Verse discussion thread

The Knappos said:
Because you pay for your ticket before you see the film and realise it's bad? Hahaha.

Sony has always wanted to do the villains, for some weird reason. That's why, after they sacked Garfield, they still were developing a Sinister Six movie without Spidey.

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Or even how in his second film, they were just as focused or more focused on the three villains and that Sinister Six set-up than they were on Garfield himself.

Like you said, bizarre, especially considering how badly they executed all three of those character arcs and designs.
 
I wasn't. Not because of the idea or the characters but because... Sony.

I mean they did make 5 live-action Spidey films and I enjoy 4 and a half of them a lot, so I'm bashing them a little unfairly maybe.

But they made some stupid decisions starting 2005/6 and they've not stopped (I do genuinely consider Spider-Verse as serendipity).

Hey, maybe, probably they made the wrong decision and cancelled what would have been their good Spidey support cast movie.
 
The Knappos said:
But they made some stupid decisions starting 2005/6 and they've not stopped (I do genuinely consider Spider-Verse as serendipity).
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Sony Pictures Animation is a different subdivision of the company than the one that makes the live-action movies. So there are different people making the decisions there.
 
Yeah, I haven't trusted Sony's judgement much since the ASM days and really not at all since Venom came out, but I was more interested in the possibility of Silver and Black than most others. I figured it was likely to get ruined by Sony's decision making, but maybe at least less likely than stuff like Venom, Morbius, etc.
 
Yeah, that's fair. I've been very critical of Sony over the years...and yet, for some reason, I had reason for optimism for Silver and Black. Did it ever have a writer attached? Maybe that's why, because I liked the tentative writer.
 
Sony seem to think that being short on heroes, any old Marvel character is box office - even the supporting cast. Even when dealt with...averagely.

I'm not as blown away by Spidey's villains as I think I'm supposed to be, and I don't think giving them their own movies is going to fly. Especially with Sony at the helm.

Doesn't look like I'm unusual, but Sony don't seem to see it.
 
Yeah, any successes Sony Pictures may have had with their Spider-Man licence over the last decade seems to have been in spite of their decision making, not because of it. I'm far from the biggest Venom fan (I think they're both deeply flawed, backwards thinking movies) but they're entertaining enough to pass, but only because Hardy is giving 937% with his performance and commitment to the bit.
Honestly, they'd be better off forgetting about more Venom superantihero movies and just straight up put Eddie & Venom in a rom-com, because clearly that's the only part that works, but it works *really* well.
 
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Relayer1 said:
I'm not as blown away by Spidey's villains as I think I'm supposed to be, and I don't think giving them their own movies is going to fly. Especially with Sony at the helm.

Doesn't look like I'm unusual, but Sony don't seem to see it.
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I still think they could've worked if they hadn't tried to do them as superhero-franchise movies but had just used the characters as starting points for making standalone movies in a variety of genres -- Venom as sci-fi horror, Morbius as more traditional horror, Black Cat as a sexy heist movie, Silver Sable as a spy thriller, etc.
 
Does Sony own the rights to Spider-Woman/Women?
I do agree that they're obsession with the villains over supporting heroes for their Spidey free movies is rather strange.
I can kind of see Venom or Morbius working on their own in theory, since the basic concepts don't require Spider-Man, but they do they really think anyone is going to care about Kraven when he isn't hunting Spider-Man?
And as a animal person and vegan, I'm beyond disgusted by the idea of a movie like this with a big game hunter as the hero.
 
JD said:
Does Sony own the rights to Spider-Woman/Women?
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Yes. Jessica Drew is a supporting character in Across the Spider-Verse, and Julia Carpenter is apparently in it as well.


I do agree that they're obsession with the villains over supporting heroes for their Spidey free movies is rather strange.
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I dunno. Spidey's supporting heroes tend to be similar to him in powers and theme, so maybe they figure it would be redundant. And there are a lot more villains to choose from than heroes in the list of Spidey characters they have the rights to.

Although I think it would be kinda cool if they did a J. Jonah Jameson solo movie starring J.K. Simmons. Forget the superhero stuff, just do a newspaper drama/comedy.
 
Christopher said:
Yes. Jessica Drew is a supporting character in Across the Spider-Verse, and Julia Carpenter is apparently in it as well.
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So then why the hell haven't we gotten a Spider-Woman movie? She's a popular character, or at least a character who pops up in a lot of comics, she's more than just a gender flipped copy of Spidey, and she doesn't really rely on him the way characters like Kraven do.
 
JD said:
Does Sony own the rights to Spider-Woman/Women?
I do agree that they're obsession with the villains over supporting heroes for their Spidey free movies is rather strange.
I can kind of see Venom or Morbius working on their own in theory, since the basic concepts don't require Spider-Man, but they do they really think anyone is going to care about Kraven when he isn't hunting Spider-Man?
And as a animal person and vegan, I'm beyond disgusted by the idea of a movie like this with a big game hunter as the hero.
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Supposedly this version of Kraven is actually an animal lover. What that looks like exactly? IDK, maybe he starts out by hunting people who hurt animals or something?

Not that hunting people is in any way better than hunting animals, so what the hell that change is supposed to accomplish, idk.

JD said:
So then why the hell haven't we gotten a Spider-Woman movie? She's a popular character, or at least a character who pops up in a lot of comics, she's more than just a gender flipped copy of Spidey, and she doesn't really rely on him the way characters like Kraven do.
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They're scared of any spider-person being labelled a knock-off, no matter how stupid the idea would be, and they're obsessed with finding some random-ass path to a Sinister Six movie one way or another, no matter what it takes or which characters go on it.
 
JD said:
So then why the hell haven't we gotten a Spider-Woman movie? She's a popular character, or at least a character who pops up in a lot of comics, she's more than just a gender flipped copy of Spidey, and she doesn't really rely on him the way characters like Kraven do.
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Not being a Sony executive, I can't answer that. Although I'll note that every Sony Spidey-adjacent movie we've gotten so far has had a male lead, and the announced Black Cat/Silver Sable project was cancelled. So maybe that's a hint.
 
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