So Where Did Eris Beam to from off DS9
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A small ship with a 'shroud' used by Dominion intelligence?
There were one or two episodes which did reference the fact that, if you have a Dominion transporter chip, you could beam massive distance (like from Terok Nor to Empok Nor!). Possibly it wasn't used for raids as it was only one way (you couldn't beam somewhere which didn't have a chip at the other end).
Perhaps it was this technology that Spock bought back with him in ST09 in order to enable transwarp beaming.
Perhaps it was this technology that Spock bought back with him in ST09 in order to enable transwarp beaming.
Too bad she was never on the show again. They tried to bring her back twice, but the actress was unavailable.
I agree, esp. considering she had a cool name -- the same as the Greek goddess of discord. The other thing that's too bad is they didn't keep the idea that Vortas had telekinetic powers. Imagine Weyoun knocking, say, Damar on his ass with a telekinetic power burst!
That would have funny. We never saw any mention of Vorta being telekentic after Eris. Weyoun certainly could've used the telekenetic ability considering how many times he got killed.
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I still think that the mental power bolt Eris used was specifically bred into her for that one mission, to give her some sort of defense durin' the first contact with the Federation (Sisko) and Ferengi (Quark).
As for her beam out, I don't have a problem with it bein' a suicide - she beamed out to keep them from gettin' any information at all. The Founders were paranoid, they could have expected their spy to be tortured, killed and autopsied. With Eris's beam out in the general direction of the Gamma Quadrant, whatever the hell it is in each Vorta that gives the next clone their memories would have taken a little longer, but still could have happened, and that explains why we never saw Eris again - her memories were still travelin' long distance.
I still think that the mental power bolt Eris used was specifically bred into her for that one mission, to give her some sort of defense durin' the first contact with the Federation (Sisko) and Ferengi (Quark).
As for her beam out, I don't have a problem with it bein' a suicide - she beamed out to keep them from gettin' any information at all. The Founders were paranoid, they could have expected their spy to be tortured, killed and autopsied. With Eris's beam out in the general direction of the Gamma Quadrant, whatever the hell it is in each Vorta that gives the next clone their memories would have taken a little longer, but still could have happened, and that explains why we never saw Eris again - her memories were still travelin' long distance.
W/out some on-screen explanation, I'm buying Odo's reason in bulk.
1) Another Dominion ship hadn't come through the WH and shrouded or cloaked-if that's even possible for a Jem ship
2) Never any evidence that you could beam from one quad to another through the WH
3) So, all there is, is that she beamed into outer space and died
If Eris could beam so far from where she was, like, to the other side of the wormhole, why couldn't they do that with ships? Jem'Hadar troops? It sounds like the Iconian gateway, which they helped destroy in season 4 anyway. But yes, I could see Eris' beam out as a suicide as well. She could always be cloned again, and besides, we later learned that Vorta are supposed to commit suicide upon capture.
As for her telekinetic powers, show rationale from the writers was the Eris (and maybe several other Vorta along with her) was given these powers for a specific purpose by the Founders and it was not part of the normal Vorta 'recipe' in the Dominion (see: Memory Alpha).
As for her telekinetic powers, show rationale from the writers was the Eris (and maybe several other Vorta along with her) was given these powers for a specific purpose by the Founders and it was not part of the normal Vorta 'recipe' in the Dominion (see: Memory Alpha).
Maybe there was a ship 'nearby' that was from the GQ and visiting/touring the AQ, but not recognised as being a Dominion afflilated race? We don't know how many ships native to the GQ that were coming through on a regular basis, or how many races were affilated with the Dominion.
I personal doubt she beamed through the wormhole. Going by what happened in "Destiny" it seems when the wormhole is closed you can't get any signals from the opposite ends without opening the wormhole. Not sure how they planned to do it originally. Maybe they found a signal that the relay station could launch to open the wormhole from its end at timed intervals or when it needed to talk to DS9 or it carried a unmanned vehicle (probe or some sort of spacecraft) that triggered the wormhole to open.
I personally lean towards that Eris just beamed to a ship that was beyond whatever O'Brien meant by as "nearby" when he said there were "no ship's nearby". That could mean no ships on the station's sensor or that there were no ships close enough for what O'Brien believed to be a transportable range (40,000 km?). Given that a Jem'Hadar ship earlier arrived to threaten DS9 they could easily send a coded transmission to an agent (possibly a Founder) that their little operation was going ahead and they could have had enough time to move a ship into the backup location.
I personally lean towards that Eris just beamed to a ship that was beyond whatever O'Brien meant by as "nearby" when he said there were "no ship's nearby". That could mean no ships on the station's sensor or that there were no ships close enough for what O'Brien believed to be a transportable range (40,000 km?). Given that a Jem'Hadar ship earlier arrived to threaten DS9 they could easily send a coded transmission to an agent (possibly a Founder) that their little operation was going ahead and they could have had enough time to move a ship into the backup location.
It wouldn't fit the subsequently established Vorta profile that Eris would voluntarily die for her masters. However, it would fit the Dominion profile that Eris would be tasked with creating that illusion if the opportunity arose...
We know the Jem'Hadar can become invisible. It would only make sense that their ships can do that as well, then. Indeed, they manage to ambush the Romulan-Cardassian force in "The Die is Cast" so thoroughly that some sort of invisibility seems likely there! It's probably just that the Dominion is more careful about where and when it allows its ships to decloak, thus preserving the effectiveness of the cloaks in covert operations.
Perhaps Eris was allocated a cloaked ship in addition to being allocated a special telekinetic power/device, whereas other agents would be allocated other resources as the situation warranted. Not everybody would get everything for every mission.
As for the famed Dominion long range transporter, it's more or less speculation in a single episode ("Covenant"). Nothing in that episode actually requires a transporter capable of spanning lightyears; Kira could have been abducted with a fairly basic and short-ranged transporter instead. For some reason, though, Worf seems convinced that Dominion transporters can have a great range, and Sisko seems ready to take him on his word. Since we never see long range transporting like that anywhere else, we might assume that Worf was simply dead wrong there. It wouldn't be unusual at all for one side in a war to convince the other side of the existence of a superior weapon where none really exists...
Timo Saloniemi
We know the Jem'Hadar can become invisible. It would only make sense that their ships can do that as well, then. Indeed, they manage to ambush the Romulan-Cardassian force in "The Die is Cast" so thoroughly that some sort of invisibility seems likely there! It's probably just that the Dominion is more careful about where and when it allows its ships to decloak, thus preserving the effectiveness of the cloaks in covert operations.
Perhaps Eris was allocated a cloaked ship in addition to being allocated a special telekinetic power/device, whereas other agents would be allocated other resources as the situation warranted. Not everybody would get everything for every mission.
As for the famed Dominion long range transporter, it's more or less speculation in a single episode ("Covenant"). Nothing in that episode actually requires a transporter capable of spanning lightyears; Kira could have been abducted with a fairly basic and short-ranged transporter instead. For some reason, though, Worf seems convinced that Dominion transporters can have a great range, and Sisko seems ready to take him on his word. Since we never see long range transporting like that anywhere else, we might assume that Worf was simply dead wrong there. It wouldn't be unusual at all for one side in a war to convince the other side of the existence of a superior weapon where none really exists...
Timo Saloniemi
