So The Best of Both Worlds 1&2 is supposed to be two of the finest eps

[AxelFoley]

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I have actually recentlyfinished Deep Space Nine season 4, I bought it at thesame time I bought the TNG boxes because they were so cheap. I have come to like DS9 a lot more than TNG, it seems more even and I do care about those characters more. The re-watchability factor applies to this show as well though, not all that much I feel like I can watch again any time soon.

I only have season 7 of DS9 now, but I don't want to watch that now, I want to get my hands on season 5 because the cliffhanger from season 4 really made me want to see the conclusion.

Avery Brooks is coming to the scif-i convention I'm attending in June, I plan on getting an autograph from him if there is still time after I've gotten Nimoy's. Garak is also coming but I don't plan on getting his utograph even though he cracks me up on the show.

One thing I don't like about DS9 is that there is a whole lot of episodes where we hardly don't see anything of Sisko at all. I like his character the most and feel that he is was underused, at least in season 4.

 

[DaveG]

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IMO, the Best of Both Worlds 1&2 was the best ending for the best ST series.

 

[Zameaze]

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....One thing I don't like about DS9 is that there is a whole lot of episodes where we hardly don't see anything of Sisko at all. I like his character the most and feel that he is was underused, at least in season 4.

Wow! Talk about opposites--I watched DS9 in spite of the ever... so... boring... Sisko character. It was a blessing to me when they didn’t use him in an episode. If he’s your favorite you might also enjoy the home shopping channel and QVC.

 

[RobertScorpio]

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From my understanding, The Best of Both Worlds part 1 & 2 are supposedly one of the best episodes in TNG history, a real fan favorite. Is this correct?

If that is so, I'm afraid I might be selling my TNG DVD's shortly. I struggled through the second season, thinking it was ok at best, but mostly forgettable. But I had also heard that season 3 was the best, or one of the best seasons of TNG, again I struggled to get through the season. So far I thought to myself that this show has, to me, absolutely zero re-watchability. When I came to the last disc of the set & saw The Best of Both Worlds Part 1 I nearly shat myself, I thought to myself "This is going to be AWZUME!!". I was wrong. It was better than most of the other episodes I'd seen previously, but not by a lot. They were not episodes I see myself re-watching either.

This is really a shame, because I like some of the characters, Picard mostly. I also like Worf & Data. The others however, are as dry as Betty White's underwear (stole that from the Shatner roast, sorry) Totally uninteresting. Hell I almost like the annoying little shit over Riker. The only line he's uttered to my delight was the ice cold way he delivered "Fire" from First Contact.

So if I haven't gotten into the show yet, should I give up? It took me 8 months to go through 2 seasons, one of which is supposed to be one of the better ones.

not sure where its going wrong with you, but SEASON THREE was one of the best seasons of any TREK series. If you don't like it yet, then you won't. You might be best served skipping past TNG to DS9..it is a different kind of TREk, maybe you will like it more.

Rob

 

[Vanyel]

Re: So The Best of Both Worlds 1&2 is supposed to be two of the finest

From my understanding, The Best of Both Worlds part 1 & 2 are supposedly one of the best episodes in TNG history, a real fan favorite. Is this correct?

If that is so, I'm afraid I might be selling my TNG DVD's shortly. I struggled through the second season, thinking it was ok at best, but mostly forgettable. But I had also heard that season 3 was the best, or one of the best seasons of TNG, again I struggled to get through the season. So far I thought to myself that this show has, to me, absolutely zero re-watchability. When I came to the last disc of the set & saw The Best of Both Worlds Part 1 I nearly shat myself, I thought to myself "This is going to be AWZUME!!". I was wrong. It was better than most of the other episodes I'd seen previously, but not by a lot. They were not episodes I see myself re-watching either.

This is really a shame, because I like some of the characters, Picard mostly. I also like Worf & Data. The others however, are as dry as Betty White's underwear (stole that from the Shatner roast, sorry) Totally uninteresting. Hell I almost like the annoying little shit over Riker. The only line he's uttered to my delight was the ice cold way he delivered "Fire" from First Contact.

So if I haven't gotten into the show yet, should I give up? It took me 8 months to go through 2 seasons, one of which is supposed to be one of the better ones.

You're new to TNG. You know that Picard is rescued from the Borg, otherwise he wouldn't have been in the movies, you know that the Borg fail in their attempt to assimilate the Federation. It's not surprising that you don't like the episodes.

When I first saw part 1, it was a "WTF just happened?" moment. I had no idea what was coming in 3 or 4 months. I couldn't wait until the new season started so I could see what happened, because I didn't know what was going to happen.

When I know the ending to a movie or game, I lose interest in it right away. My experience tells me most people are the same way.

I don't read movie spoilers; and if the movie is adapted from a play or book I've seen or read, I watch to see how the director interprets the material. As an example, I can't wait to see Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince because I want to see how they deal with Ron and Hermione and Ginny and Harry. And I'm looking forward to the battle in Hogwarts. To me, the end will not be as dramatic as it was in the book.

 

[AxelFoley]

Re: So The Best of Both Worlds 1&2 is supposed to be two of the finest

From my understanding, The Best of Both Worlds part 1 & 2 are supposedly one of the best episodes in TNG history, a real fan favorite. Is this correct?

If that is so, I'm afraid I might be selling my TNG DVD's shortly. I struggled through the second season, thinking it was ok at best, but mostly forgettable. But I had also heard that season 3 was the best, or one of the best seasons of TNG, again I struggled to get through the season. So far I thought to myself that this show has, to me, absolutely zero re-watchability. When I came to the last disc of the set & saw The Best of Both Worlds Part 1 I nearly shat myself, I thought to myself "This is going to be AWZUME!!". I was wrong. It was better than most of the other episodes I'd seen previously, but not by a lot. They were not episodes I see myself re-watching either.

This is really a shame, because I like some of the characters, Picard mostly. I also like Worf & Data. The others however, are as dry as Betty White's underwear (stole that from the Shatner roast, sorry) Totally uninteresting. Hell I almost like the annoying little shit over Riker. The only line he's uttered to my delight was the ice cold way he delivered "Fire" from First Contact.

So if I haven't gotten into the show yet, should I give up? It took me 8 months to go through 2 seasons, one of which is supposed to be one of the better ones.

You're new to TNG. You know that Picard is rescued from the Borg, otherwise he wouldn't have been in the movies, you know that the Borg fail in their attempt to assimilate the Federation. It's not surprising that you don't like the episodes.

When I first saw part 1, it was a "WTF just happened?" moment. I had no idea what was coming in 3 or 4 months. I couldn't wait until the new season started so I could see what happened, because I didn't know what was going to happen.

When I know the ending to a movie or game, I lose interest in it right away. My experience tells me most people are the same way.

I don't read movie spoilers; and if the movie is adapted from a play or book I've seen or read, I watch to see how the director interprets the material. As an example, I can't wait to see Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince because I want to see how they deal with Ron and Hermione and Ginny and Harry. And I'm looking forward to the battle in Hogwarts. To me, the end will not be as dramatic as it was in the book.

Well, anyone would know that the Federation would prevail, and that Picard would mae it somehow, so I don't see that as a reason of why I didn't love tose episodes. I knew Spock would be back after his death in Wrath of Khan, I still enjoyed the hell out of the sequel.

 

[Vanyel]

Re: So The Best of Both Worlds 1&2 is supposed to be two of the finest

From my understanding, The Best of Both Worlds part 1 & 2 are supposedly one of the best episodes in TNG history, a real fan favorite. Is this correct?

If that is so, I'm afraid I might be selling my TNG DVD's shortly. I struggled through the second season, thinking it was ok at best, but mostly forgettable. But I had also heard that season 3 was the best, or one of the best seasons of TNG, again I struggled to get through the season. So far I thought to myself that this show has, to me, absolutely zero re-watchability. When I came to the last disc of the set & saw The Best of Both Worlds Part 1 I nearly shat myself, I thought to myself "This is going to be AWZUME!!". I was wrong. It was better than most of the other episodes I'd seen previously, but not by a lot. They were not episodes I see myself re-watching either.

This is really a shame, because I like some of the characters, Picard mostly. I also like Worf & Data. The others however, are as dry as Betty White's underwear (stole that from the Shatner roast, sorry) Totally uninteresting. Hell I almost like the annoying little shit over Riker. The only line he's uttered to my delight was the ice cold way he delivered "Fire" from First Contact.

So if I haven't gotten into the show yet, should I give up? It took me 8 months to go through 2 seasons, one of which is supposed to be one of the better ones.

You're new to TNG. You know that Picard is rescued from the Borg, otherwise he wouldn't have been in the movies, you know that the Borg fail in their attempt to assimilate the Federation. It's not surprising that you don't like the episodes.

When I first saw part 1, it was a "WTF just happened?" moment. I had no idea what was coming in 3 or 4 months. I couldn't wait until the new season started so I could see what happened, because I didn't know what was going to happen.

When I know the ending to a movie or game, I lose interest in it right away. My experience tells me most people are the same way.

I don't read movie spoilers; and if the movie is adapted from a play or book I've seen or read, I watch to see how the director interprets the material. As an example, I can't wait to see Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince because I want to see how they deal with Ron and Hermione and Ginny and Harry. And I'm looking forward to the battle in Hogwarts. To me, the end will not be as dramatic as it was in the book.

Well, anyone would know that the Federation would prevail, and that Picard would mae it somehow, so I don't see that as a reason of why I didn't love tose episodes. I knew Spock would be back after his death in Wrath of Khan, I still enjoyed the hell out of the sequel.

Not everyone. It was contract renewal time. There was a chance Stewart wouldn't have renewed his contract. Rumors were flying.

 

[AxelFoley]

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Ah, ok. Either way, those things don't bother me.

 

[Hober Mallow]

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I don't think you should give up. Best of Both Worlds is not one of my favorite episodes, either. There are some really classic episodes your going to miss if you give up now, like "Inner Light" in season 5 and "Tapestry" in season 6, to say nothing of the return of Spock and Scotty in seasons five and six, respectively.

Don't feel bad if BOBW doesn't do it for you. It's a decent two-parter, but definitely not the best of TNG. Then again, I also found First Contact to be a mindless bang-bang shoot-em-up action flick with a story put together with a laundry list of "cool things" the writers wanted ("Borg! The Doctor from Voyager! Dixon Hill! A sexy Borg queen! Time travel! Barclay! Cochrane!")

 

[Ro Boat]

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One thing Axel... You have to watch them all.

I disagree with your opinions of TNG, but I can understand them. In spite of your opinions though, I think that you need to put your feelings aside and watch them all in order to complete the Trek experience.

I watched all of those damned Seasons 6 and Season 7 Voyager episodes. You should stick out the remaining seasons of TNG. There is bound to be something that you like.

 

[AxelFoley]

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I've already seen the Spock & Scotty episodes of course, definitely the best of the bunch

 

[clint g]

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If you didnt like BoBW and couldnt remember Yesterday's Enterprise then I think you're done Best to just move on to something else. Maybe stop by Inner Light , also known as the best episode of Trek ever , and All Good Things before you leave though

Im working through TNG again right now and personally, I <3 it ;D Season 1 was as weak as I remember but season 2 is definitely better than I thought

 

[USS KG5]

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I love TNG, but I don't think it has aged particularly well. Especially compared to current TV and movies, I can very easily see a newbie not liking TNG. It's very dry.

Take into consideration that I'm a diehard TOS fan, a show that has aged far more than TNG

Yes but the spirit and verve of TOS has not been repeated in Trek until the new movie.

That does not mean 90s trek is not any good, it is brilliant at times IMHO, I have it all on DVD and regularly rewatch episodes of all the shows.

BUT - TOS was a one off, lightning did not strike twice. Lets be fair most of the third series sucks as well.

 

[Tomalak]

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I love TNG, but I don't think it has aged particularly well. Especially compared to current TV and movies, I can very easily see a newbie not liking TNG. It's very dry.

It think that's probably true. Sci-fi shows have changed a great deal since TNG in the late eighties/early nineties, so if you didn't watch it at the time, it's probably harder to come to it now when something like the new BSG has been made. BoBW was incredible at the time, as the cliffhanger ending came as something of a surprise, and left a big impression. Now they are ten a penny, and every series seems to end with a hook for the next season, it's not going to have the same impact - especially when you know Picard will be around for another four seasons and four movies.

TOS is different, as it's been classic/cult viewing since the seventies really. TNG hasn't quite got to that stage yet. It's a shame the OP hasn't found it to their liking, as there are some fantastic episodes, particularly in the third season. It's a very unique beast, and I can't see another show like it ever being made.

 

[Bones2]

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Maybe stop by Inner Light , also known as the best episode of Trek ever

I've never really got why people say that. It's ok, quite good, but I can think of about 20 TNG episodes I prefer.

 

[Tuxedo Dragon]

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Ah, ok. Either way, those things don't bother me.

But I think there is something to the point he made. Watching TNG as it aired orginally is an experiance that a new fans can't get by watching via dvd. No matter how unspioled they are.

You have to take into consideration the era that they show ran and how different it might seem to the prespective of fans at that time.

Picard getting assumilated by the Borg was a huge shocker. I remember worrying about them writing Picard off the show. The summer cliffhanger built anticipation to the resolution in season 4. That was a huge part of the episodes being so popular. The Borg we're still new and very much a scary foe.

Have you watched the second part? I think you should at least watch that.

 

[AxelFoley]

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Ah, ok. Either way, those things don't bother me.

But I think there is something to the point he made. Watching TNG as it aired orginally is an experiance that a new fans can't get by watching via dvd. No matter how unspioled they are.

You have to take into consideration the era that they show ran and how different it might seem to the prespective of fans at that time.

Picard getting assumilated by the Borg was a huge shocker. I remember worrying about them writing Picard off the show. The summer cliffhanger built anticipation to the resolution in season 4. That was a huge part of the episodes being so popular. The Borg we're still new and very much a scary foe.

Have you watched the second part? I think you should at least watch that.

The experience is of couse not the same, but I should still have been able to enjoyed the hell out of the episode since it's considered to be so great, I didn't. I have seen part 2 and am on the second disc of season 4 at the moment.

 

[Karnbeln]

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OP, I'm with you. I never had any tapes or DVDs, and I always seemed to miss BOBW on TV. I really wanted to see it for all the hype.

When I finally saw it, I was disappointed.

I don't know if it was the hype, or if my viewing was spoiled by having seen a million images of Picard as Locutus (the big bang of the episode, and also one of the first if not the first time we see assimilation instead of the Borg being a race of cyborgs who just want your tech) and seeing a million Voyager episodes that also featured breaking into Borg ships (that had better artistic design thanks to FC). Maybe because I'd seen so much of the Borg I just couldn't appreciate it like those who saw it during its first airing. Maybe it was just overhyped, and I would have liked it if I would have seen it without expectations.

At any rate, I wouldn't call it the best episode, just a memorable one.

 

[BillJ]

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The Drumhead and The Wounded are two of my personal favorites. Both are from season four. I think you'd be impressed by these two (TOS is by far my favorite series).

 

[clint g]

Re: So The Best of Both Worlds 1&2 is supposed to be two of the finest

Maybe stop by Inner Light , also known as the best episode of Trek ever

I've never really got why people say that. It's ok, quite good, but I can think of about 20 TNG episodes I prefer.

Probably because its awesome, but if its not for you then its not for you