Maybe so, but the dialogue all matches up. It's still looking like it's 100 years or so past where they actualy went to.
Spoilers So now Discovery is 'synched-up' with canon
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Maybe so, but the dialogue all matches up. It's still looking like it's 100 years or so past where they actualy went to.
How does the dialogue match up ?
- the only dialogue says the crew left the ship 1000 years ago. So if it's 100 years after where they went - how can they be gone 1000 years in a 100 years?
Also there is this problematic dialogue in regards to the only shuttle left:
"But there's only one left and it was never flown. We had only just taken delivery".
Phew, and I thought I was wrong about canon. Memory Alpha is NOT canon. What’s next? You’ll say that EAS is canon? Though Bernd would like to think so
They're on vacation. Vacation’s when you go somewhere, and you don’t ever come back.
People are strangely edgy today, must be the heat.
You missed the smiley at the end. But yeah, you gotta be careful about stating facts without backing them up with credible sources. You'll get chewed up badly
I will admit to being a long-time lurker on here! I've been a Trek fan since I was a young boy - I remember the excitement of Wrath of Khan for the first time, and being allowed to watch Next Generation at 6PM on BBC2. I'll admit that Trek was at least partially an inspiration to get into science, and in my workplace I'm far from alone in that! Frankly, I've been thrilled with Discovery. There's been a slew of interesting sci-fi lately on the box and Trek was noticeably and unpleasantly absent. I was a little wary at first but by the end of season 1 I was hooked.
I am now very very irked, and I'm glad to see I'm not alone. A lot of effort was put into building a 23rd century world, and we leave it - and it seems very obvious to me that this is some kind of misguided attempt to shut up certain loud sections of fandom who never liked the show and never will - and on that note, I don't appreciate being patronised and criticised and called a 'Drekkie' by these so-called 'fans'. The likes of Bernd Schneider I can sort of forgive - I knew from the first shots of Vulcan Hello he wouldn't like it - but even he goes on quite a bit about what 'fans' want, and I don't appreciate these people trying to speak for me and, even worse the showrunners try and appease them!
I have a sense of dread about where we are going in season three, and I wonder whether this might have been a good moment to end Discovery and move on to some of the other new series' in the works - given the nature of the final episode I even wonder whether that was the original intention (wasn't there an interview with a CBS executive that some of these upcoming shows are planned as replacements?) The 23rd century was big enough to tell interesting stories beyond Pike and Kirk and it's worrying that the writers wanted to be 'free' of it, and doesn't necessarily cast them in a good light in my view.
I am now very very irked, and I'm glad to see I'm not alone. A lot of effort was put into building a 23rd century world, and we leave it - and it seems very obvious to me that this is some kind of misguided attempt to shut up certain loud sections of fandom who never liked the show and never will - and on that note, I don't appreciate being patronised and criticised and called a 'Drekkie' by these so-called 'fans'. The likes of Bernd Schneider I can sort of forgive - I knew from the first shots of Vulcan Hello he wouldn't like it - but even he goes on quite a bit about what 'fans' want, and I don't appreciate these people trying to speak for me and, even worse the showrunners try and appease them!
I have a sense of dread about where we are going in season three, and I wonder whether this might have been a good moment to end Discovery and move on to some of the other new series' in the works - given the nature of the final episode I even wonder whether that was the original intention (wasn't there an interview with a CBS executive that some of these upcoming shows are planned as replacements?) The 23rd century was big enough to tell interesting stories beyond Pike and Kirk and it's worrying that the writers wanted to be 'free' of it, and doesn't necessarily cast them in a good light in my view.
Welcome to the forum! While I'm cautiously optimistic about the new direction they are taking in Season 3, I still have to admit I can't really find anything to disagree with in what you've written. It's really sad to see what looks like the showrunners feeling as if a small but loud part of the fandom has forced their hands. It's strange, but what I've said when Season 1 ended, that the next season will make or break the series, is now much more true about the third one.
And yes, while a retool might or might not work, and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on that, I have the feeling this won't actually stifle the most common criticisms of the series. Those who complain about it feeling too dark, too emotion-driven, too main character-centric, too light sci-fi (as if Trek were ever hard to begin with) etc. for Star Trek would still feel so, those who endlessly complain about the cast on political grounds won't stop from a retool, and those who have mostly legitimate complaints about the show's handling of its story arcs will still want improvement on that matter.
I'm hoping for more 23rd century shows, either a possible Pike series or the Section 31 one if it turns out alright, but I would've been very happy if the Discovery's crew were allowed to stay in the "present". They could've piloted the Discovery into the wormhole on autopilot, received a new Constitution-class Discovery for Season 3 and have the first few episodes about getting Burnham back. But then again, there are many ways to make the future work too so I'm holding out hope for that as well.
A century after a time agent's time doesn't mean much. I don't think we'll see anything to do with ENT period though it would be cool to do a Yesterday's Discovery episode with the wreck of the NX-04.
The idea of feeling a sense of dread about future Star Treks seems to me to go against the whole grain of loving Star Trek. Be optimistic!
Unfortunately, it seems the powers that be have been scared off of the 23rd century.
Regardless, I have optimism that they can do a good job especially now that the BTS drama is done.
Thanks for your comments and welcome!
Maybe dread is too strong, but I'm casting a cynical eye on this. Let's hope indeed they have some kind of plan.
I prefer cautiously optimistic. 
Regardless, if this Trek doesn't succeed then there is another Trek. And if that doesn't succeed we have had 50+ years of Trek. I think that's a good run.
Regardless, if this Trek doesn't succeed then there is another Trek. And if that doesn't succeed we have had 50+ years of Trek. I think that's a good run.
What if new Trek shows continue to be made for another couple centuries, all the way into the time periods they portray? Are they then regarded as documentaries?I prefer cautiously optimistic.
Regardless, if this Trek doesn't succeed then there is another Trek. And if that doesn't succeed we have had 50+ years of Trek. I think that's a good run.
Good plan, Bad plan, or no plan at all, it going to happen. Some folks are going to be outraged by what they see, because there is now an outrage industry built around what CBS is doing. Some are going to love it. Nothing can be done about that. My best recommendation is try to have an open mind with what you see, leave your baggage at the door and accept the new. It may be good, it may be bad, it may not match what came before, but there will likely be elements that do and will allow you to look at the old elements of Trek you are familiar with in a new way. IMO, new is just as embraceable as familiar.
Imagine all the vitriol the actual James T. Kirk will receive from 23rd century fans who are going apeshit at his audacity not to look like William Shatner or Chris Pine.What if new Trek shows continue to be made for another couple centuries, all the way into the time periods they portray? Are they then regarded as documentaries?
Considering that the Section31 series is supposed to take place in the 23rd Century, I don't think that is the case. Also, IMO, Discovery is at most going to contain 7 stories which have been a mashup of 2 main ideas. So in the context of Trek, that's a whole 7 stories featuring 14 main ideas. Has Trek had 'out of time' stories before? It sure has. I wouldn't worry until we stop getting new/old admixes and just get rehashes. IMO, thats harder to accomplish just 7 stories and 14 main ideas to play with than it is with the need of coming up with 150 separate stories.
I will try!! I guess I fear this time period they've gone to is so far into the future it may not be 'Star Trek' anymore, and we will have a show that just uses some of the 'material culture' in a generic sci-fi setting... Well hopefully since we are now 'synched up with canon' they will at least have to acknowledge the 24th century events we know about (which might throw up its own canon problems). I would hope that we get at least some insight into how the actions of our favourite captains are perceived so far into the future, and what consequences they had - that is a concept that would interest me. How would the 'canon' of Pike and Kirk be perceived so far into the future? What mythos might have grown up around them through the course of history? Well, we shall see what the writers have in store...
Star Trek gone outside the comfy confines of the Federation before many, many times. Its gone outside 23rd-24th setting before, although of course mostly back as opposed to forward. Nothing to be scared of. This will be Trek once again splitting infinitives where none have been split before. Enjoy it for that.
So this is the progression of the USS Enterprise uniform then? . You happy with that explanation?
Well, clearly, there was a malfunction in the laundry the week that Kirk and company had the Gary Mitchell crisis and they couldn’t do their jobs naked, so they dug some old uniforms out of storage! :-D
