So name a Star Trek moment that you just didn't "get".

[Captain Clark Terrell]

^They were trying to establish a history between the two powers--which they also used to tell part of Worf's backstory. As to why they picked Romulans specifically, it may be that the producers thought giving the Klingons a known enemy would make for better story-telling.

--Sran

 

[tafkats]

I do find it strange too that Ferengi males are so attracted to human/human appearing women. They look so different, but then Leeta married Rom and was clearly madly in love with him. Those kind of things only seem to go one way on screen, as you never see an attractive human male with a hideous alien woman.

There are two common tropes at work there ... the first part comes from Mars Needs Women; the second from Most Writers Are Male.

 

[The Wormhole]

Why did the writers choose to make the situations surrounding Narendra III (Yesterday's Enterprise) and the attack on Khitomer (in Worf's past) so similar? Klingon outposts, attached by Romulans, saved by Federation vessels.

They could have picked a myriad of scenarios, why pick the same one twice?

I still don't get it!

They're not quite the same. The Enterprise C arrived at Narendra III in time to fight the Romulans, while Starfleet didn't arrive at Khitomer until after the Romulans were done. Also, Khitomer was the result of the Romulans betraying the Klingons, they were allies prior to the attack. Meanwhile there were already open hostilities between the Klingons and Romulans at the time of Narendra III.

 

[22 Stars]

For me, it's too similar, and redundant. I should go back and re read the making of Yesterday's Enterprise and check to see when this particular detail was incorporated.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

For me, the thing with the baby in ENT: Terra Prime/Demons. Why was there a dying hybrid alien baby?

I always thought it was done because Terra Prime wanted to 'prove' to the citizens of Earth that any hybrid child would inevitably die, and therefore Earth humans shouldn't ever mix or interbreed with aliens.

 

[kirkfan]

I don't get why janeway thought her plan of helping the borg had any chance of succeeding at all. I mean, if she wants to have a shot at crossing their space, even a very long one, it will be while they're busy fighting 8472. As demonstrated by what happened when they crossed paths with the borg cubes and when even the one that stopped to scan them didn't bother to try to assimilate them. So their best and only chance of making the crossing is to sneak discreetly and as fast as possible while the borg are getting the nanoprobes beaten out of them. Going to the borg with a cure to their problem is the last thing you wanna do. Because as they say themselves their space is extremely vast so you won't have time to cross it before they get the modified nanoprobes from you and use them successfully against 8472. At which point you'll be in the middle of their space, surrounded by borg cubes and with no bargaining chips to hold out against your assimilation.

Janeway's plan is absoluetly insane. The only reason she didn't end up assimilated is because of Kes' fortuitous push and nothing else.

 

[Tiberius]

But we know they did intend to assimilate Earth, the Borgified Earth we see just before the Enterprise goes through the vortex is proof of that.

Icing on the cake. After the defeat in BoBW, the Queen was just pissed off with Humans and wanted them gone. She decided to kill two birds with one stone, and in the end, she only got one bird.

 

[The Wormhole]

But we know they did intend to assimilate Earth, the Borgified Earth we see just before the Enterprise goes through the vortex is proof of that.

Icing on the cake. After the defeat in BoBW, the Queen was just pissed off with Humans and wanted them gone. She decided to kill two birds with one stone, and in the end, she only got one bird.

That still doesn't explain why she chose assimilation instead of elimination.

 

[Tiberius]

Since the thread has veered to First Contact, another "huh" moment was when the Enterprise returned to the present. I remember as they were wrapping the mission up think "OK...how are they going to return to the present day" My thought was the ol' slingshot around the sun trick, seemed the only established and logical way to do based on past ST canon.

Yet all Picard did was give some order to match the temporal vortex settings, or something like that, that they were in when they followed the Borg back in time. And he did it like it was no big deal, he'd given commands to go to warp speed, a common order, with more urgency than he gave the order to take us back hundreds of years into the present day.

I remember thinking "What?" So suddenly starfleet just has the ability to jump back and forth in time as they please and it's not dangerous or anything.

Yet it was never mentioned again. I know the movie was coming to the end, but it was the ultimate....just make up some BS so we don't have to have a big scene and we can make it under 2 hours.

Since the movie was about them stopping the Borg, it didn't make sense for them to spend any time on trying to figure out how to get back. It's fiction, after all, not reality. Concentrate on the story, anything else is irrelevant.

 

[kirkfan]

But we know they did intend to assimilate Earth, the Borgified Earth we see just before the Enterprise goes through the vortex is proof of that.

Icing on the cake. After the defeat in BoBW, the Queen was just pissed off with Humans and wanted them gone. She decided to kill two birds with one stone, and in the end, she only got one bird.

That still doesn't explain why she chose assimilation instead of elimination.

Elimination naturally follows assimilation.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Well, no, if the Borg assimilate someone, they haven't killed or destroyed them. Not literally, anyway. An assimilated life form is still, technically, alive, it hasn't been eliminated.

Elimination would be if a Borg fires a disruptor and vaporizes you. Not the same thing as assimilation.

 

[kirkfan]

^ Well, no, if the Borg assimilate someone, they haven't killed or destroyed them. Not literally, anyway. An assimilated life form is still, technically, alive, it hasn't been eliminated.

Elimination would be if a Borg fires a disruptor and vaporizes you. Not the same thing as assimilation.

I was speaking about food.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ I'll take "Too much information" for $200, Alex.

 

[kirkfan]

^ I'll take "Too much information" for $200, Alex.

 

[T'Girl]

I never have understood how Admiral Leyton (homefront) thought he would succeed in his coup. Making the assumption that he wasn't "crazy," surely he must have known that the bulk of Starfleet wouldn't have supported him.

The only way I could see this working is if Layton had the pre-arranged cooperation of large portions of Starfleet (not just one large ship), support of some in the Federation Council and could count on a sizable piece of the general population being okay with his actions (at least initially).

 

[Taelon]

Every time they discover paradigm-changing technology and then ignore its existence the next week and forever after.

 

[kirkfan]

I never have understood how Admiral Leyton (homefront) thought he would succeed in his coup. Making the assumption that he wasn't "crazy," surely he must have known that the bulk of Starfleet wouldn't have supported him.

The only way I could see this working is if Layton had the per-arranged cooperation of large portions of Starfleet (not just one large ship), support of some in the Federation Council and could count on a sizable piece of the general population being okay with his actions (at least initially).

He had reassigned four hundred people prior to his coup. One could assume that he put them all in key positions. Of course, once the coup has been defeated all these promotions have likely been canceled.

 

[tharpdevenport]

The Borg are capable of time travel--we know this from First Contact. Ok, we can say they don't travel back in time in the Delta Quadrant and THEN assimilate earth because they'd rather have 24th Century earth and not 21st century earth, check. But once plan A failed, they DID use time travel and took 21st Century earth. SO, once THAT failed, why wouldn't Borg still in the Delta Quadrant say "f it, these humans/Federation are way too much trouble. We'll travel back in time here, in the Delta Q, and THEN assimilate earth." I mean, ok, the Borg back in time were stopped from getting their beacon to work, thus stopping those Borg from communicating with 21st Century Borg, but am I really to believe that the 24th Century Borg in the DQ never found out any of the details of what happened in First Contact? They had to have known about 1) the destruction of the cube that invaded thee AQ, and 2) the time travel bit, because of the signal that connects them all.

At some point, why would't the Borg just use this devastating weapon (time travel) in complete safety, and change history without that pestilential Enterprise D around? Just saying.

Well, my guesses are that the Borg say they want to add a species "Biological and technological distinctiveness" to their own. If they travel back earlier, they loose that technological distinctiveness the Federation possessed in the 24th century that got their attention in the first place.

It was Q sending the Enterprise to a cube that alerted them to human existance in the first place. If that didn't occur, they may not have necessarily discovered human kind. I don't remember the full details, but wouldn't this also leave open a window for species 8472 to destroy the Borg completely, since Janeway isn't there to fuck things up?



And every change in history is liek a drop in a galactic pond, that sends out ripples, and therefore you never really fully know what will happen when you start doing it here, then there, and so forth. The use of it in First Contact seemed more like last-ditch effort. But now that brings up a question of my own: why did they do it? They wanted to get the Federation's technological distinctiveness, so if you stop that from even happening, what was the fucking point? Was the Enterprise really such a big deal threat the Borg would rather stop the human race from [temporarily] developing warp? I got a better idea: if one large borg cube can destroy and antire fleet of ships, just send five of them bad boys over and give the Enterprise an ultimatum. Are they really so hard up for vessels they can only send one each time?

 

[kirkfan]

In Scorpion, Neelix says that he's working on a plan to extend their food and replicator rations. What the hell could that plan be and if it exists at all why didn't he use it before? Why wait till they got to borg space to implement it? Does Janeway realize that he could be bullshitting her? It wouldn't be the first time, btw.

 

[Taelon]

In First Contact, why didn't the Borg just assimilate the entire ship immediately? They want Federation technology and then just say "Well that's enough assimilation for today. Who needs ALL this technology at once?"