Definitely. One of the few times I saw someone "wish for no more Trek" was on another forum, due to Kelvin Trek.
For me, I've always felt that Kelvin Trek had to fight its way to be accepted. So, it definitely goes both ways.
So Much For IDIC!
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For me, I've always felt that Kelvin Trek had to fight its way to be accepted. So, it definitely goes both ways.
You should recall the vitriol that was thrown at anyone who didn't embrace nuTrek as Something Wonderful.
My point has always included that while I may criticize and/or dislike some aspect of Star Trek, or even entire series or sub-franchises, I don't recall ever indulging in name-calling or flaming people for liking it. I've sure been on the receiving end of a lot of name-calling, trolling, and flaming, though.
While the immediate context was "let's create some piece of cheap jewelry to sell to the fans", the concept itself isn't a bad one.
Did anyone mention you specifically?
No, because I do not take Star Trek seriously enough to care about what other fans think of my likes and dislikes. I like Discovery. At the moment there are plenty of people in the Discovery forum saying how much they hate it. Some people are being terribly inflammatory about their dislike. Do I care? No, because this forum and the people in it have no bearing on my life in the real world.
Your attitude is similar to mine.
Difference for me is that the stuff that for me is "annoying and needs correcting" is when a "disliker" goes beyond being critical and endlessly venting about how much something sucks and has the clear intent to see the disliked element of the franchise fail.
The former is annoying because it happens to be contrary to my opinion. Oh well, too bad for me. The other is outright inflammatory because it is selfish, unnecessary and (worst of all) sometime effective.
Rather than just tuning out and letting it go...they MUST drag it down for everyone else who might be enjoying themselves.
That's the shit that gets me red hot.
I didn't like ENT when it first aired. I gave it a full season. I simply stopped watching. I didn't flood message boards with hate and discontent, hoping that the overwhelming venom storm would sink the show. I just backed out. It wasn't interesting to me at the time, so I saw no need to expend time watching it nor mental / emotional energy on telling people how much it sucked. Total waste of time and energy.
I was a huge "24" fan, but the last 2 seasons and the subsequent 2 "mini series" were pretty awful. I just stopped watching them. I didn't debate endlessly about how they weren't real 24, or how the writing was awful, or how anyone that liked the seasons I didn't like didn't know what they were talking about. I just faded out. No big deal whatsoever...and no harm done.
I've never ever understood why people:
1. Torture themselves with stuff that they don't like
2. Find it necessary to engage on a message board over and over and over and over again about how they disapprove of something.
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I will say this much- the "Ignore" feature comes in handy...!
Exactly. Art and commerce are not antithetical. IDIC may have been invented in part to sell merchandise, just as, on one level, Star Trek was intended to make money for NBC and Desilu, but that doesn't mean the content is therefore tainted . . . or that some thought didn't go into making it an IDIC medallion instead of the "Vulcan Medal of Logic" or whatever. Roddenberry thought that IDIC was something that Spock would believe in.
There's the business end of things and the creative end of things and both matter. It's not an either/or thing.
Agree...all IDIC really is is the representation of what Trek was about to begin with: that people of different backgrounds, races, species, spiritual beliefs, etc can work together for a greater purpose.
The jewelry in Is There No Truth aside...IDIC existed in Trek long before it was ever vocalized as such in dialogue.
If I may take a half-side step into RL for a moment, this is a bit like the multiculturalism policy of Canada, where I'm from. One of the current catchphrases our Prime Minister says is "Diversity is our strength."
I've no idea whether or not he's a Star Trek fan (he likes Star Wars), but that's something I can definitely picture Kirk saying.
Probably would have went down smoother if it wasn't trying to be sold by GR.
I'm all for diversity, but it's kind of like those "Coexist" bumper stickers. It's an ok talking point, but it seems to need more substance.
easy, check if they are carrying their True Fan(tm) ID
important note: check the Gene's Vision(tm) watermark and security bonded 3D hologram
Haven't you been paying attention? 3D holograms aren't canon in the Discovery era
HA! you have solved the security feature, you are a True Fan(tm) CONGRATS!Haven't you been paying attention? 3D holograms aren't canon in the Discovery era
Heh...Unless anyone was a Battlestar Galactica fan during the RDM reimagining of 2003, NOBODY knows how toxic a fan base can truly be. I was a fan of both shows, recognizing the strengths of both and accepting the weaknesses of both. I was in the minority. It was like a preview of the 2016 presidential election, honestly. Quite bloody - almost disturbingly so.For what it's worth, this is not just a Trekkie thing. You see it in comics fandom, PLANET OF THE APES fandom, GODZILLA fandom, etc.
I still remember the time I was accused of not being a "true" SUPERMAN fan by somebody who probably wasn't even born when I was watching George Reeves on our old black-and-white TV.
The whole "true fan' thing is toxic.
And I don't speak victim.
I tend to steer clear of "true fans". They are the reason the rest of the world thinks the whole fan base are all idiots as a whole.
QFT! Somebody's gotta pay for the Utopian Money-Free Paradise!
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There are extreme viewpoints on opposing ends: those who expect everybody to like the latest version of Trek, and those who expect everybody to not like it.
And some outspoken elements at both extremes will try to marginalize those who don't agree and accuse them of not being "true fans," whatever that's supposed to mean.
I wonder what the OP's thoughts on that are. But he seems to have disappeared from his own thread.
Kor
And some outspoken elements at both extremes will try to marginalize those who don't agree and accuse them of not being "true fans," whatever that's supposed to mean.
I wonder what the OP's thoughts on that are. But he seems to have disappeared from his own thread.
Kor
I find it both mystifying and amusing how thin skinned some people can be. You take exception to a series, scenario, or character, and then some people who are madly in love with it take offense and deride you for the criticism. Now... granted some people can be boneheaded insensitive and convey their dislikes with a derogatory air. Maybe they deserve some backlash. But not when it is brought up in a congenial manner.
In essence, what is our true stake in this? If someone isn't on board with your thinking, is it really worth the time and effort to thoroughly chastise them? The only reason I can see, is when someone has a life deficiency where they derive satisfaction from venting upon someone else. The "bully" phenomenon. And as any sensible person knows, that behavior is a losing proposition... because gratification is fleeting, needs frequent repeating, and inevitably causes alienation from others. In the end, the bully is alone, or surrounded by fawning idiots.
In essence, what is our true stake in this? If someone isn't on board with your thinking, is it really worth the time and effort to thoroughly chastise them? The only reason I can see, is when someone has a life deficiency where they derive satisfaction from venting upon someone else. The "bully" phenomenon. And as any sensible person knows, that behavior is a losing proposition... because gratification is fleeting, needs frequent repeating, and inevitably causes alienation from others. In the end, the bully is alone, or surrounded by fawning idiots.
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