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So I was re-watching the West Wing...

That just took the focus away from the issue-based and character-based storylines that had made the show special to begin with.
The campaign episodes tended to have some issue in each episode, as I recall.

One of the things I really liked about the show after Sorkin left was that Wells and co. actually allowed them to affect the status quo (this could go too far in the other direction, of course), something Sorkin studiously avoided.
 
^ That sounds like what I was trying to get at. One of Sorkin's strengths was incorporating what for want of a better phrase I'll call self-contained morality plays into his episodes. I always had this notion that the show was kind of a successor to Star Trek, but one which whose unique strength ws that it could do away with metaphor altogether and address the issue head-on.
 
One of the things I really liked about the show after Sorkin left was that Wells and co. actually allowed them to affect the status quo (this could go too far in the other direction, of course), something Sorkin studiously avoided.
Yeah, a lot of Sorkin eps are basically various mains talking over two or three issues, with maybe a nod or mention towards long-term plot lines - the MS problem, Bartlet's re-election, etc., coming to some sort of agreement (often a compromise), rinse, repeat. It's understandable, particularly with the massive creative and production demands of a full 22-episode season, but it does mean that lots of eps, even some excellent ones, are almost if not entirely skippable in the grand scheme of things.

Which is why I once started the West Wing Mythology Episodes thread. :bolian:
 
The most egregious case of the series running in place (and don't get we wrong, I loved the show as Sorkin wrote it) was Josh and Donna's relationship. At the end of season four Donna was in pretty much exactly the same place, both professionally and personally (re: Josh) that she was in the first episode of the first season. The final season featured more movement on both fronts than the preceding six combined.
 
"Potus? your boss sure has a funny name"

"That's not his name, it's his title. President of the United States".
 
The most egregious case of the series running in place (and don't get we wrong, I loved the show as Sorkin wrote it) was Josh and Donna's relationship. At the end of season four Donna was in pretty much exactly the same place, both professionally and personally (re: Josh) that she was in the first episode of the first season. The final season featured more movement on both fronts than the preceding six combined.
And then he teased us with Amy's line there in the S4 finale...

I remember reading a quote from one of the S7 producers saying the question they were getting asked the most wasn't who'd win the race, but if Josh and Donna would finally get together! :p
 
^ I wanted to see what happened with Charlie and Zoey in the end! Never heard about that again after season 6!

And after watching the Season again: here's what I think happened:

Toby and Bartlett (and possibly CJ) came up with a plan to leak the information about the military space shuttle...they were hoping that they'd be able to keep a low-key investigation going, but when the congress subpoenaed Leo, and the campaign comes under threat, Bartlett asked Toby (in a coded way) to fall on his sword - bear in mind that Bartlett wanted to talk to Toby alone when he fired him...he had to chew out Toby because they weren't alone...we don't know what they would have said just to Toby

and in the scene after that, watch the Legal guy's face: He's not buying it, I think he's figured it out, which is why he says "Someone should thank you for your service"

At the end of his term, Bartlett is only leaving off pardoning Toby until the last minute for two reasons: 1) to try and throw off the appearance that Toby was acting with him and 2) the significance that his last act as President is to pardon Toby, which is quite a significant thing!

That's how I can believe that Toby leaked it, he wasn't undermining Bartlett, he was acting through loyalty to him - and after the assassination Bartlett ordered, there's no doubt in my mind it would be something he'd be prepared to do!
 
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While the Toby leak doesn't quite work, I think there are enough things to tenuously tie it together. His loyalty to Bartlett suggests he wouldn't, but he did have an independent streak that might be change things a bit.

As for the other theories, both a CJ leaked it theory and a Bartlett approved theory are completely inconsistent with what we saw. Even if it would be easier to fit with their characters as originally established, it's best to say the pressure of the whole thing (including Toby's brother's death) led to a dumb decision (which he might have regretted, but was certainly too stubborn to back down from). How about we all just blame Mandy? That'll make everyone happy :p
 
I wanted to see what happened with Charlie and Zoey in the end! Never heard about that again after season 6!
That should have been the White House wedding.
When I saw the title for that episode, I was sure it was going to be Charlie and Zoey's wedding, especially considering Charlie pretty much asked Bartlet's permission to propose at the end of season 6. Could they not get Elisabeth Moss back, or something like that?

How about we all just blame Mandy? That'll make everyone happy :p
She's responsible for everything that went wrong on the show! She kidnapped Ainsley. And Danny, twice! And she was responsible for the terror threat that locked down the White House in Isaac and Ishmael, forcing us to sit through Josh's civics lesson. There are no bounds to her evil.
 
Elisabeth Moss came back for Requium, IMDB says she was working on another series that year so maybe she could only come back for one day or something?
 
That's one of the great mysteries of the final season to me. The last episodes of season six featured a Charlie/Zoey reconciliation (another of Sorkin's weird dropped plots), and then the opening stretch of season seven had a mini-arc of Ellie's White House wedding, with Zoey and Charlie's relationship (and Zoey herself) never being mentioned again (she returned wordlessly for John Spencer's tribute, alongside a bunch of other past guests). It makes all the sense in the world that the Ellie story was originally supposed to be for Zoey, but what happened? Did Moss and the producers have a falling-out?
 
...and I just don't see it that Toby was the one who leaked the information about the military space shuttle...

I always pretend that the president himself wanted the info out to save the astronauts, but couldn't come out and say it, so Toby, being so loyal, did it for him.

Season 5 is a mess for the most part, all the characters just yell at each other. Once we get middle east peace in a time jump weekend the show gets a lot better, but the whole leaked thing was a joke, and wasn't need at all for the show.

Zoey was on the short lived "Invasion" TV show the last season of West Wing, but she wasn't a regular character. That always bugged me too, it should have been her wedding, but I just pretend they break up again and Zoey finally gets a life.
 
She didn't start Mad Men until the following year, she was in 5 episodes of something called "Invasion" in 2006...whether that was a clash...
 
I'm just watching the series for the first time (half way through S7) and just saw all the shuttle stuff today, this is what I think:

Firstly the whole military shuttle business is really silly. Not only is it far-fetched (as one poster above stated, rather Tom Clancy-ish) but the actual facts, in respect to the rescue mission and the military shuttle itself, are not given enough air time to warrant the whole 'Toby did it' fiasco and its air time.

Although on one hand it can be seen as good writing because even today, many years after it aired, we're still talking about who the leak was, on the other no real perpetrator is made even slightly clear. I think its a serious plot gap.

IMHO I fully believe Toby didn't do the leak on his own. Its just not possible given the amount dedication he had to the administration and Bartlet himself (also given the way he reacted to a leak by another staffer in a previous episode). Schiff (the actor who plays Toby) even said as such: "Toby would never in 10 million years have betrayed the president in that fashion. Even if he had, there would have been seven episodes' worth of fights before he did it." He justified the story to himself by reasoning that Toby was covering for somebody else.

But then what really happened...

Was he covering for CJ? I don't believe so. My reasoning for this is in the scene where he confesses to her. I think if he was covering for her she would not have been as harsh in her body language as she was, especially considering they were in the room alone. She looked genuinely angry/disappointed.

Was it thought out between Toby and Bartlet, this too I do not fully think was the case (but I'm swaying). I don't believe that Bartlet would have let himself permit Toby to take the blame for something that he had a part in.

Although I can see how the double-team conspiracy would work, but for it to fit in with what was shown it would need just a tad more hinting from the characters.

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From another forum on the topic to add to the discussion:

From the moment I first saw S07E05 "Here Today" I immediately assumed that Bartlett was the source of the leak. Toby 'fell on his sword' for his President. Babbish's facial gestures when he and Toby are waiting outside the Oval Office immediately after Bartlett fires Toby were my first clue. A guard enters: "Mr. Ziegler. I'll need your hard pass, sir." Toby and the guard exit and Babbish looks on THEN the camera cuts to a close-up of Babbish with a look on his face that suggests he's not quite buying what has just happened.

Then I watched the previous episode again S07E04 "Mr Frost" and there's a telling scene in The Oval Office between Bartlett and Toby apparently to discuss the President's speech at Chairman Farad's upcoming funeral.

BARTLET: Farad didn't think the peace would work. I pushed him into doing it. [pause] Leo called. He's coming to town to do the Sunday morning shows. He's also coming to see his attorney. It seems he's been served a subpoena to testify.

TOBY: Leo can't pull up to the Hart building in a limo. The Vice Presidential candidate can't testify. It'll be the end of the Santos campaign.

BARTLET: The investigation into the leak is focused on C.J.

TOBY: They've got it wrong.

BARTLET: Apparently, they don't see it that way.

For me this is their 'coded' exchange telling each other that their initial plan to leak the story and attempt to 'minimize casualties' has failed and 'Plan B' is now in effect. Toby and Bartlett were both prepared to hinder the investigation and probably finally take the blame - but wrecking the Santos campaign would be too high a price to pay.

I believe the 'wrestling with his conscience' that occurs in the final episode (S07E22 "Tomorrow") is NOT Bartlett debating whether or not to pardon Toby but whether he himself shouldn't march down to the Attorney General's office and confess his role in the conspiracy.


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(Also as a side note I was really disappointed with the whole go nowhere Donna-Josh/Zoe-Charlie business. I think that after Sorkin left the team that was there didn't get back in the groove until about half way through S6, S5 was a complete write off. Also the Josh-Leo/Leo-Barlet conflicts were rubbish and the S6 staff turnover was a joke. That said I loved the campaigns though, really well done in my view, though whether they chose the right actor to play Santos, I'm not too sure).
 
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