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So how much would have quality SFX in TFF helped the movie to you?

^ That's exactly what I've been saying - there's a missing act, which the writers somehow forgot they needed. It would: explore Sybok's motivation and the nature of his "visions", give Kirk a solid reason for finally going along with Sybok's mission, make getting through the barrier a difficult and risky business, and give the Klingons a serious reason for following them all the way to the god planet. That's hard to fix with digital effects.
 
^ That's exactly what I've been saying - there's a missing act, which the writers somehow forgot they needed. It would: explore Sybok's motivation and the nature of his "visions", give Kirk a solid reason for finally going along with Sybok's mission, make getting through the barrier a difficult and risky business, and give the Klingons a serious reason for following them all the way to the god planet. That's hard to fix with digital effects.

The first step is to dig into the archives to see if there's cut footage. Shatner was sideswiped on this production, so I can imagine scenes that were in the script or actually shot that remained on the cutting room floor.

Regarding Kirk's motivation for following Sybok--he did not have much of a choice, and of significance, it is in everything developed about the Kirk character from the TV series: he's the "risk is our business" / "boldly go where no man has gone before" explorer. Further, as one once fascianted by the parallel Christ movement in the epilogue of "Bread and Circuses", I think it is consistent for Kirk to be curious about that which Sybok (and others) believed was the ground zero of creation, etc. I think it is very clear why Shatner's--knowing his character--moved Kirk to follow Sybok to the end of the line.
 
^ That's exactly what I've been saying - there's a missing act, which the writers somehow forgot they needed. It would: explore Sybok's motivation and the nature of his "visions", give Kirk a solid reason for finally going along with Sybok's mission, make getting through the barrier a difficult and risky business, and give the Klingons a serious reason for following them all the way to the god planet. That's hard to fix with digital effects.

The first step is to dig into the archives to see if there's cut footage. Shatner was sideswiped on this production, so I can imagine scenes that were in the script or actually shot that remained on the cutting room floor.

Regarding Kirk's motivation for following Sybok--he did not have much of a choice, and of significance, it is in everything developed about the Kirk character from the TV series: he's the "risk is our business" / "boldly go where no man has gone before" explorer. Further, as one once fascianted by the parallel Christ movement in the epilogue of "Bread and Circuses", I think it is consistent for Kirk to be curious about that which Sybok (and others) believed was the ground zero of creation, etc. I think it is very clear why Shatner's--knowing his character--moved Kirk to follow Sybok to the end of the line.

Beyond a few character moments--the only large amount of cut footage were the two battles for Paradise city which would add nothing to the movie.

The exception being all the footage of Kirk being chased by the Rockman--where they added in the "god-head" instead. or just didn't use it at all.
The finale' could be expanded on using raw footage of Kirk and adding in a CGI rockman/men.

Would that be better/ For folks like myself who like the movie--probably yes, somewhat. for those who don't--not a chance.
 
The finale had obvious budget restrictions, but I don't have a problem with it. If it was in a TOS episode we'd be calling it a classic.
 
^ I was just talking about the finale: Kirk talks wise to a phoney god, god responds with violence, Kirk escapes and god gets zapped. Sounds like TOS to me.
 
The finale had obvious budget restrictions, but I don't have a problem with it. If it was in a TOS episode we'd be calling it a classic.

I don't agree that we'd be calling it a classic, but it's certainly more evocative of the feel of a TOS episode than any of the movies. Unfortunately, it's one from the third season.
 
The finale had obvious budget restrictions, but I don't have a problem with it. If it was in a TOS episode we'd be calling it a classic.

I don't agree that we'd be calling it a classic, but it's certainly more evocative of the feel of a TOS episode than any of the movies. Unfortunately, it's one from the third season.

Oh, my friend, are you not of the body?

But what of Lazarus? What of Lazarus?
 
What about all of those redone SPFX videos of TFF? They all look light years better than what we originally got. They all would make the movie more expensive and expansive looking. By the way, I keep hearing that a redone fan version of TFF is out there somewhere. I hear the same is being done by the powers that be for the anniversary of Star Trek. Would somebody please either confirm or catagorically deny these stories? I am at the point where, enough is enough with TFF.
 
What about all of those redone SPFX videos of TFF? They all look light years better than what we originally got. They all would make the movie more expensive and expansive looking. By the way, I keep hearing that a redone fan version of TFF is out there somewhere. I hear the same is being done by the powers that be for the anniversary of Star Trek. Would somebody please either confirm or catagorically deny these stories? I am at the point where, enough is enough with TFF.

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What you posted was already talked about in this very topic. You might want to go back and actually read through its 8 pages, and you'll find what you are asking for.
 
The finale had obvious budget restrictions, but I don't have a problem with it. If it was in a TOS episode we'd be calling it a classic.

I don't agree that we'd be calling it a classic, but it's certainly more evocative of the feel of a TOS episode than any of the movies. Unfortunately, it's one from the third season.

Oh, my friend, are you not of the body?

I guess not.

But call me when Festival starts up, okay? ;)
 
I have never thought of The Final Frontier movie as being really awful, just a bit weak in some areas, compared to what came before and immediately after. I have fun watching it every once in a while, as a bit of throw away entertainment.

The special effects really don't impact on my viewing experience. They should have been better, or at least up to the usual standard, and that's too bad. However, I grew up liking the old Doctor Who show, and was also never picky about ST: TOS's dated effects, which I never identified as dated for the longest time.

I watch The Final Frontier for the Kirk, Spock and McCoy scenes (and also for Kirk trying to ID a being that is being mistaken for God). I get a kick out of some of the action sequences, a bit, as well.
 
McCoy: "You'll have a great time, Bones. You'll enjoy your shore leave. You'll be able to relax." You call this relaxing? I'm a nervous wreck! ... If I'm not careful I'll end up talking to myself.

We'd be much poorer without this scene.
 
McCoy: "You'll have a great time, Bones. You'll enjoy your shore leave. You'll be able to relax." You call this relaxing? I'm a nervous wreck! ... If I'm not careful I'll end up talking to myself.
We'd be much poorer without this scene.
Too bad it's a lift from "Corbomite Manuever"

I just looked through the transcript of The Corbomite Maneuver and couldn't find anything like it. Are you thinking of a different episode? I thought maybe Shore Leave, but it's not in that either.
 
I just looked through the transcript of The Corbomite Maneuver and couldn't find anything like it.

I guess you were focusing on the first part of the quote, but it's the final part that echoes "Corbomite." Right after Kirk is called to the bridge and leaves sickbay: "What am I, a doctor or a moon shuttle conductor? If I jumped every time a light came on around here, I'd end up talking to myself."
 
Thanks, Christopher. Apart from the "end up talking to myself" bit, the two quotes are quite different.
 
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