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I think Trump withdrawing from the Paris climate accords is basically rooted in his pathological desire to undo any evidence that Barack Obama was President. Trump is a man-child, and can't stand anyone other than himself receiving credit or praise - especially internationally - unless that person is Donald Trump.
And especially when that "anyone" has darker skin than he.
 
Donald Trump is a human being.

Post proof or retract.

If Trump can demand proof of Obama's citizenship status, I think he should allow us to verify that he is a human being, especially given the weird animal that lives on his head. Is it mind-controlling him? Is that animal the actual creature and the human-looking body just a shell?

That letter from Trump's doctor that his campaign released during the campaign was dodgy.
 
Let's be honest.. Macron thought he was going to reign Trump policy in regards the accord. Trump rejected him and poor little Macron is pouting. His reaction is personal.
 
Post proof or retract.

If Trump can demand proof of Obama's citizenship status, I think he should allow us to verify that he is a human being, especially given the weird animal that lives on his head. Is it mind-controlling him? Is that animal the actual creature and the human-looking body just a shell?

That letter from Trump's doctor that his campaign released during the campaign was dodgy.
You funny :) :nyah:
 
Let's be honest.. Macron thought he was going to reign Trump policy in regards the accord. Trump rejected him and poor little Macron is pouting. His reaction is personal.
All Trump knows is personal. That Trump rejected him, speaks well of Macron.
 
Trump rejects all decent human beings and surrounds himself with sniveling toadies who are unquestionably loyal to him. Most are likely to end up in a federal prison before too long.
 
That's the thing about Trump. Everything with him is a one-way street. Especially loyalty. He demands loyalty from everyone in his circle, but the second that he senses that he can personally benefit from throwing someone under the bus, he will have no compunctions about doing so. Just look at the Forbes story that came out today about Trump skimming millions off of a children's cancer charity. Trump cares about one person, and one person only: himself.

Also, you know what people who actually have billions of dollars don't do? Steal money from charities.
 
Post proof or retract.

If Trump can demand proof of Obama's citizenship status, I think he should allow us to verify that he is a human being, especially given the weird animal that lives on his head. Is it mind-controlling him? Is that animal the actual creature and the human-looking body just a shell?

That letter from Trump's doctor that his campaign released during the campaign was dodgy.

The poor animal, I believe it's a hostage to misfortune.
 
Let's be honest.. Macron thought he was going to reign Trump policy in regards the accord. Trump rejected him and poor little Macron is pouting. His reaction is personal.

So was Trump's. It had nothing to do with science or economics. He rejected the Accords simply because he had the power to.
 
Don't you think though much of this is .. petty?
If there was a sport where the objective was to miss the point as frequently and massively as possible, you'd be an all-star.

Yes, all of those issues I mentioned were incredibly petty. That's because we have a clownish manchild of a President who curls up in pettiness like it's a comfortable blanket.

Needing constant adulation to pay attention to national priorities is petty. Shoving world leaders out of the way to stand at the front of the group is petty. Using arm-wrestling as a handshake technique to bully people is petty. Not shaking a world leader's hand because she was mildly critical of your policies is petty. Ditching decade's old alliances and important treaties because other countries expect you to act like one of the adults in the room is petty. Kowtowing to the wishes of a long-term enemy because they pay you compliments is petty. National policy by tweet is petty. 3:00 AM Twitter rants against comedy shows or celebrities that mock you is petty. Contradicting everything your minions say to explain your insanity and then blaming them for the confusion is petty. Harassing and firing law enforcement personnel for doing their jobs and in doing so obstructing justice is petty. Making your son's charity for children's cancer treatment pay to use your facilities out of the money raised is petty. Promising to donate money from charity to veterans and then never doing it until you were caught years later is petty. Starting a foundation to accept donations and taking credit for its achievements while not contributing anything to the foundation yourself in years, and illegally spending the money raised on personal items is petty. Stiffing contractors working for you on multiple occasions is petty. Basing policy on how vindictive it is toward Barack Obama's policies and legacy is petty. Needing to constantly plug his crowd size or electoral college victory or putting out campaign-style anti-Comey ads when you won the election is petty.

I could keep going with new things each time, because PETTUS is the king of pettiness. We're being led by a man who has the temperament of a twelve-year-old bully compensating for his own profound lack of confidence by claiming to be the greatest at everything and pounding on anyone who isn't an unequivocal kiss ass Yes Man.

Donald Trump is a human being. There I said it. The amount of personal abuse that is dished out to him day in and day out is ridiculous. It forms the constant noise around him and has desensitized the impact of anything he does. So when he does something worthy of standing up to it gets lost in amongst all the outrage and this blanket need to mock and denigrate him. It all becomes just one noise.
Trump could live another thirty years and not reach the end of the amount of national mockery and disdain he rightfully deserves for the way he's taken a gigantic dump on our country's confidence in its government institutions, longstanding principles and rights, long term alliances and treaties, and treatment of immigrants, minorities, women, LGBTQ individuals and others. He's been a cancer on this country in a few months of actual service and a couple years of campaigning.

So Trump didn't want to be part of the accord. Does that really mean the US is not going to continue already implemented environmental protocols? Our awareness of the environment has translated to lifestyle changes where there is no going back. Solar power, green waste, recycling, packaging choices. Donations. These are things I've made part of my life and lots of people do, though there is way too much litter everywhere still. I realize emissions are often out of the individuals control (except maybe cars) but I believe individuals can still make a difference just by choices we make. I also hold out a thought that though not part of the accord the US will still present some kind of alternative compromise.
But that's the whole thing. It's a voluntary treaty where you're allowed to set your own standards based on the guidelines provided (which we agreed upon and helped craft) and can adjust those guidelines as necessary to fit changing realities. Participation is simply an indication of your willingness to try and meet the standards, so rejecting it outright serves no purpose except to serve as an "FU!" to other countries and our own past administration and even many corporations who favored it. There's no reason to pull out except to make a petty, vindictive statement and indicate a shift toward throwing out as many environmental regulations as he can.

Trump literally wants to watch the world burn. The idea that he rejected the Paris Accords that only Syria (who is embroiled in a civil war) and Nicaragua (who actually wanted higher standards) rejected but will secretly continue progressive environmental policies is ridiculous. He's whored out the country for the sake of promoting coal and fracking even when many energy companies oppose his decision. He's made us a laughing stock that North Korea can actually hold the moral high ground over (at least on this singular issue) for nothing. Because Europe didn't kiss his ass like the Saudis. Because Obama supported the Paris Accords. Because the dying coal industry represents his base. Which brings us back to the pettiness issue and why it's important. Because he lets his petty nature guide policy to ruinous effect on the country and our international alliances.
 
If there was a sport where the objective was to miss the point as frequently and massively as possible, you'd be an all-star.

Yes, all of those issues I mentioned were incredibly petty. That's because we have a clownish manchild of a President who curls up in pettiness like it's a comfortable blanket.

Needing constant adulation to pay attention to national priorities is petty. Shoving world leaders out of the way to stand at the front of the group is petty. Using arm-wrestling as a handshake technique to bully people is petty. Not shaking a world leader's hand because she was mildly critical of your policies is petty. Ditching decade's old alliances and important treaties because other countries expect you to act like one of the adults in the room is petty. Kowtowing to the wishes of a long-term enemy because they pay you compliments is petty. National policy by tweet is petty. 3:00 AM Twitter rants against comedy shows or celebrities that mock you is petty. Contradicting everything your minions say to explain your insanity and then blaming them for the confusion is petty. Harassing and firing law enforcement personnel for doing their jobs and in doing so obstructing justice is petty. Making your son's charity for children's cancer treatment pay to use your facilities out of the money raised is petty. Promising to donate money from charity to veterans and then never doing it until you were caught years later is petty. Starting a foundation to accept donations and taking credit for its achievements while not contributing anything to the foundation yourself in years, and illegally spending the money raised on personal items is petty. Stiffing contractors working for you on multiple occasions is petty. Basing policy on how vindictive it is toward Barack Obama's policies and legacy is petty. Needing to constantly plug his crowd size or electoral college victory or putting out campaign-style anti-Comey ads when you won the election is petty.

I could keep going with new things each time, because PETTUS is the king of pettiness. We're being led by a man who has the temperament of a twelve-year-old bully compensating for his own profound lack of confidence by claiming to be the greatest at everything and pounding on anyone who isn't an unequivocal kiss ass Yes Man.


Trump could live another thirty years and not reach the end of the amount of national mockery and disdain he rightfully deserves for the way he's taken a gigantic dump on our country's confidence in its government institutions, longstanding principles and rights, long term alliances and treaties, and treatment of immigrants, minorities, women, LGBTQ individuals and others. He's been a cancer on this country in a few months of actual service and a couple years of campaigning.


But that's the whole thing. It's a voluntary treaty where you're allowed to set your own standards based on the guidelines provided (which we agreed upon and helped craft) and can adjust those guidelines as necessary to fit changing realities. Participation is simply an indication of your willingness to try and meet the standards, so rejecting it outright serves no purpose except to serve as an "FU!" to other countries and our own past administration and even many corporations who favored it. There's no reason to pull out except to make a petty, vindictive statement and indicate a shift toward throwing out as many environmental regulations as he can.

Trump literally wants to watch the world burn. The idea that he rejected the Paris Accords that only Syria (who is embroiled in a civil war) and Nicaragua (who actually wanted higher standards) rejected but will secretly continue progressive environmental policies is ridiculous. He's whored out the country for the sake of promoting coal and fracking even when many energy companies oppose his decision. He's made us a laughing stock that North Korea can actually hold the moral high ground over (at least on this singular issue) for nothing. Because Europe didn't kiss his ass like the Saudis. Because Obama supported the Paris Accords. Because the dying coal industry represents his base. Which brings us back to the pettiness issue and why it's important. Because he lets his petty nature guide policy to ruinous effect on the country and our international alliances.
Don't you think at some point it's more constructive to accept the way things are UNLESS you can actually change them? So there will be another Election or he might get the boot earlier, however he ran with a campaign that blatantly promised to change the health system. He was a major critic of the Accord/s. Some of his measures he has not been able to implement because the system does not allow it. That same system gave him enough support to achieve a backing by the electorate. Even if one were to agonize over the popular vote numbers Trump still had a pretty big head count of citizens who wanted him to be President. They can just as easily show their displeasure on another day but for now he is not pulling surprises. Rejecting the Paris Accords was going to happen.

I wouldn't place too much weight on what the rest of the World thinks, they're polluting happily away, making trade agreements that throw their citizens under the bus, having screwed up elections. Europe is hardly an example of perfection. I repeat that if the US with or without Trump offered a deal with any international party that was beneficial to that party it would be accepted. International relations are not ruined, we all use each other too much for that to ever happen.
 
^ Shaking my damn head, as they say. Some of those other nations that you scorn are doing better at renewable energy than we are. And, no, I will never accept things as they are, because they can be changed. Pressure from citizens can work wonders. It's before your time I assume, but those of us who took to the streets to oppose the Vietnam war helped end it.
 
Don't you think at some point it's more constructive to accept the way things are UNLESS you can actually change them?
No.
I wouldn't place too much weight on what the rest of the World thinks, they're polluting happily away, making trade agreements that throw their citizens under the bus, having screwed up elections. Europe is hardly an example of perfection. I repeat that if the US with or without Trump offered a deal with any international party that was beneficial to that party it would be accepted. International relations are not ruined, we all use each other too much for that to ever happen.
No one has claimed that Europe is an example of perfection, but I have no idea what all this nonsense is about. Care to cite some examples?

International relations will carry on, but Trump has done enormous damage to them on our part. Our allies no longer have confidence that we are a trustworthy partner who will share intelligence or keep it secure from our enemies, that we will honor our treaty commitments whether it be under NATO or the Paris Accords, that we will be a fair trade partner, or that we can even maintain the most basic level of cordial and respectful relations that one should be able to expect from long term allies.
 
Right now British intelligence agencies would not trust telling Trump that the sky is blue, cos he might rush to tweet it. His mouth runs like water. Be worried when your allies don't even trust you.
 
Don't you think at some point it's more constructive to accept the way things are UNLESS you can actually change them? So there will be another Election or he might get the boot earlier, however he ran with a campaign that blatantly promised to change the health system. He was a major critic of the Accord/s. Some of his measures he has not been able to implement because the system does not allow it. That same system gave him enough support to achieve a backing by the electorate. Even if one were to agonize over the popular vote numbers Trump still had a pretty big head count of citizens who wanted him to be President. They can just as easily show their displeasure on another day but for now he is not pulling surprises. Rejecting the Paris Accords was going to happen.

I wouldn't place too much weight on what the rest of the World thinks, they're polluting happily away, making trade agreements that throw their citizens under the bus, having screwed up elections. Europe is hardly an example of perfection. I repeat that if the US with or without Trump offered a deal with any international party that was beneficial to that party it would be accepted. International relations are not ruined, we all use each other too much for that to ever happen.

Doesn't the GOP control both the Executive and both houses of the legislative. Surely that should make it easier to pass his measures. Or is it a case that some GOP members of Congress are thinking that some of Trump's measures are likely to risk them losing their seats at the next election?
 
Europe is hardly an example of perfection.

Nobody's claimed that Europe is anything near perfection... But let's examine a few key indicators for a "perfect" society:

Firstly, the Economist's "Democracy Index":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

The United States is considered a flawed democracy. Of the 20 nations considered to be "more free" than the U.S., 14 are in Europe.

Secondly, Human Development Index:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

The United States does indeed rank high on the HDI rankings, but of the 10 nations with a higher HDI score, 7 are in Europe. And all seven also rank higher on the Democracy Index.

Thirdly, life expectancy at birth:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

30 nations have a higher life expectancy than the United States. Of those 30 nations, 21 are in Europe.

(Noticing a trend here?)

Fourth, we could look at educational attainment by country:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...ment#Countries_by_Level_of_Tertiary_Education

Of the 18 countries that have a higher rate of university (4 year) degree attainment, 14 are in Europe.
Of the 25 countries that have a higher rate of post-graduate (6 year) degree attainment... ALL 25 ARE IN EUROPE.
 
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