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So.... France...

Come on President Macron sounded like a wuss.
Donald Trump is so sensitive about his intelligence that instead of just admitting the stupid "covfefe" thing was just a typo of the word "coverage", he made his little minion turd Sean Spicer say that it was an intentional secret code word that only those in the know would understand.

Donald Trump is so defensive about being mocked that he backed out of a voluntary climate change agreement that we helped spearhead because European leaders didn't sufficiently "kiss the ring" (or his ass) like the Saudis did when the Tangerine Supreme visited them. No stroking of their glowing Palantir orb, phallic sword dancing, giant lightshows of his bloated head on the side of buildings, or effusive praise from Europe. No, they gave his pathetic macho handshake attempts that belong on a fifth-grade bully an equal response and made reasonable requests that he uphold our longstanding international agreements and alliances, so fuck those guys.

Trump, instead of acting like an adult and trying something new, insists upon foreign leaders serving him his favorite meal of well-done steak and ketchup like a picky child. NATO had to limit the length of their briefings and exclude non-official member but cooperative nations from attending because Trump's attention would start wavering if the speeches were anything longer than a couple minutes or there were too many of them. Trump's own advisors at home have to pepper his briefings with frequent random use of his own name in order to keep his attention on the briefing itself. Trump hands out maps of his electoral college victory to try and impress foreign leaders and still can't admit that his inaugural crowds were smaller than Obama's, whom he is obsessed with defeating even though he's not in a competition with him for anything.

You want to know why the stupid meme about the size of Trump's hands exists? Because one editor of a free New York newspaper that no longer even exists (the editor now works for Vanity Fair) once made an offhand remark in a 1988 article that Trump was a "short-fingered vulgarian" and Trump became so obsessed with the "hand-size = penis-size" thing that he sent the editor photographs of his hands to show how large and manly they were, and continued to do so on a regular basis for the next thirty years through to the present day election, because he's a fucking nutjob.

Trump creates fake aliases to pose as his own publicists and lavish praise all over... Donald Trump.

I could go on with shit like this for days, and I haven't even touched how he's capitulated to Putin and whored our country out to the Russians like a treasonous rat. The man is a psychological gold mine. Freud would cream his pants if he saw Trump's case file, but sadly we have to deal with this walking caricature as our President instead. Trump will tolerate being nothing less that the bigliest and bestest at everything, so he is the undisputed biggest fucking wuss on the face of the planet.
 
Trump types won't care when scientists up stick and leave the USA. If the Earth goes to pot in the future they won't care since they will be worm food. Short-termism is the name of the political game.
 
As a European, and just based on the news I see, I have the feeling that the US is becoming more and more divided about political issues such as this one. Which, if true, cannot be a good thing. I hope I'm mistaken in this. It isn't much better in Europe, though, as we have our own issues over which opinions are polarising more and more.
 
As a European, and just based on the news I see, I have the feeling that the US is becoming more and more divided about political issues such as this one. Which, if true, cannot be a good thing. I hope I'm mistaken in this. It isn't much better in Europe, though, as we have our own issues over which opinions are polarising more and more.
We're extremely divided politically at the moment (as is much of the world, as you note), though I don't necessarily take that as an always negative thing. Countries can just as easily be united behind a horrific ideology as they can be divided by one. Personally I'm happy to have a divided populace with a majority opposed to the Trump administration. Can you imagine what he'd be capable of if he had control of all three branches of government and a solid mandate from the people? It's bad enough with the number of supporters he has now and having to navigate the slow morass of government to get anything done.

So, yes, tribalism and political polarization are generally not the ideal, and compromise is something we should always strive for, but political division is not an absolute good or bad thing, it depends on the circumstances that give rise to it.
 
Come on President Macron sounded like a wuss. I was being sarcastic about the precious environmental scientists going to live in polluted Europe.. under the comfort of being part of an accord. I wonder how many will?
Why go there when we can mount a perfectly solid resistance here?
 
Donald Trump is so sensitive about his intelligence that instead of just admitting the stupid "covfefe" thing was just a typo of the word "coverage", he made his little minion turd Sean Spicer say that it was an intentional secret code word that only those in the know would understand.

Donald Trump is so defensive about being mocked that he backed out of a voluntary climate change agreement that we helped spearhead because European leaders didn't sufficiently "kiss the ring" (or his ass) like the Saudis did when the Tangerine Supreme visited them. No stroking of their glowing Palantir orb, phallic sword dancing, giant lightshows of his bloated head on the side of buildings, or effusive praise from Europe. No, they gave his pathetic macho handshake attempts that belong on a fifth-grade bully an equal response and made reasonable requests that he uphold our longstanding international agreements and alliances, so fuck those guys.

Trump, instead of acting like an adult and trying something new, insists upon foreign leaders serving him his favorite meal of well-done steak and ketchup like a picky child. NATO had to limit the length of their briefings and exclude non-official member but cooperative nations from attending because Trump's attention would start wavering if the speeches were anything longer than a couple minutes or there were too many of them. Trump's own advisors at home have to pepper his briefings with frequent random use of his own name in order to keep his attention on the briefing itself. Trump hands out maps of his electoral college victory to try and impress foreign leaders and still can't admit that his inaugural crowds were smaller than Obama's, whom he is obsessed with defeating even though he's not in a competition with him for anything.

You want to know why the stupid meme about the size of Trump's hands exists? Because one editor of a free New York newspaper that no longer even exists (the editor now works for Vanity Fair) once made an offhand remark in a 1988 article that Trump was a "short-fingered vulgarian" and Trump became so obsessed with the "hand-size = penis-size" thing that he sent the editor photographs of his hands to show how large and manly they were, and continued to do so on a regular basis for the next thirty years through to the present day election, because he's a fucking nutjob.

Trump creates fake aliases to pose as his own publicists and lavish praise all over... Donald Trump.

I could go on with shit like this for days, and I haven't even touched how he's capitulated to Putin and whored our country out to the Russians like a treasonous rat. The man is a psychological gold mine. Freud would cream his pants if he saw Trump's case file, but sadly we have to deal with this walking caricature as our President instead. Trump will tolerate being nothing less that the bigliest and bestest at everything, so he is the undisputed biggest fucking wuss on the face of the planet.

Don't mince words, Locutus -- tell us what you really think of Trump! But, seriously, this was a great summary of his personality disorder and immaturity.
 
Donald Trump is so sensitive about his intelligence that instead of just admitting the stupid "covfefe" thing was just a typo of the word "coverage", he made his little minion turd Sean Spicer say that it was an intentional secret code word that only those in the know would understand.

Donald Trump is so defensive about being mocked that he backed out of a voluntary climate change agreement that we helped spearhead because European leaders didn't sufficiently "kiss the ring" (or his ass) like the Saudis did when the Tangerine Supreme visited them. No stroking of their glowing Palantir orb, phallic sword dancing, giant lightshows of his bloated head on the side of buildings, or effusive praise from Europe. No, they gave his pathetic macho handshake attempts that belong on a fifth-grade bully an equal response and made reasonable requests that he uphold our longstanding international agreements and alliances, so fuck those guys.

Trump, instead of acting like an adult and trying something new, insists upon foreign leaders serving him his favorite meal of well-done steak and ketchup like a picky child. NATO had to limit the length of their briefings and exclude non-official member but cooperative nations from attending because Trump's attention would start wavering if the speeches were anything longer than a couple minutes or there were too many of them. Trump's own advisors at home have to pepper his briefings with frequent random use of his own name in order to keep his attention on the briefing itself. Trump hands out maps of his electoral college victory to try and impress foreign leaders and still can't admit that his inaugural crowds were smaller than Obama's, whom he is obsessed with defeating even though he's not in a competition with him for anything.

You want to know why the stupid meme about the size of Trump's hands exists? Because one editor of a free New York newspaper that no longer even exists (the editor now works for Vanity Fair) once made an offhand remark in a 1988 article that Trump was a "short-fingered vulgarian" and Trump became so obsessed with the "hand-size = penis-size" thing that he sent the editor photographs of his hands to show how large and manly they were, and continued to do so on a regular basis for the next thirty years through to the present day election, because he's a fucking nutjob.

Trump creates fake aliases to pose as his own publicists and lavish praise all over... Donald Trump.

I could go on with shit like this for days, and I haven't even touched how he's capitulated to Putin and whored our country out to the Russians like a treasonous rat. The man is a psychological gold mine. Freud would cream his pants if he saw Trump's case file, but sadly we have to deal with this walking caricature as our President instead. Trump will tolerate being nothing less that the bigliest and bestest at everything, so he is the undisputed biggest fucking wuss on the face of the planet.
Don't you think though much of this is .. petty? Like from all sides? Donald Trump is a human being. There I said it. The amount of personal abuse that is dished out to him day in and day out is ridiculous. It forms the constant noise around him and has desensitized the impact of anything he does. So when he does something worthy of standing up to it gets lost in amongst all the outrage and this blanket need to mock and denigrate him. It all becomes just one noise.

Of course my reaction to Macron was of a similar.. well ballpark, attitude. Calling someone a wuss is probably mild compared to the things said about Trump. However it is the same type of thing, I admit that. Yet there is balance when other leaders are assessed. So Trump didn't want to be part of the accord. Does that really mean the US is not going to continue already implemented environmental protocols? Our awareness of the environment has translated to lifestyle changes where there is no going back. Solar power, green waste, recycling, packaging choices. Donations. These are things I've made part of my life and lots of people do, though there is way too much litter everywhere still. I realize emissions are often out of the individuals control (except maybe cars) but I believe individuals can still make a difference just by choices we make. I also hold out a thought that though not part of the accord the US will still present some kind of alternative compromise. Though I have nothing apart from mentions in a press speech to base that on.
 
Don't you think though much of this is .. petty? Like from all sides? Donald Trump is a human being. There I said it. The amount of personal abuse that is dished out to him day in and day out is ridiculous. It forms the constant noise around him and has desensitized the impact of anything he does. So when he does something worthy of standing up to it gets lost in amongst all the outrage and this blanket need to mock and denigrate him. It all becomes just one noise.

Of course my reaction to Macron was of a similar.. well ballpark, attitude. Calling someone a wuss is probably mild compared to the things said about Trump. However it is the same type of thing, I admit that. Yet there is balance when other leaders are assessed. So Trump didn't want to be part of the accord. Does that really mean the US is not going to continue already implemented environmental protocols? Our awareness of the environment has translated to lifestyle changes where there is no going back. Solar power, green waste, recycling, packaging choices. Donations. These are things I've made part of my life and lots of people do, though there is way too much litter everywhere still. I realize emissions are often out of the individuals control (except maybe cars) but I believe individuals can still make a difference just by choices we make. I also hold out a thought that though not part of the accord the US will still present some kind of alternative compromise. Though I have nothing apart from mentions in a press speech to base that on.
Donald Trump pushes policies that will outright and quite literally kill me, and put my dearest friends in danger. You can kumbaya this kind of thing all day long, but I say fuck him and the horse he rode in on.
 
As a European, and just based on the news I see, I have the feeling that the US is becoming more and more divided about political issues such as this one. Which, if true, cannot be a good thing. I hope I'm mistaken in this. It isn't much better in Europe, though, as we have our own issues over which opinions are polarising more and more.

And I suspect that is down to similar reasons the electorate feeling that their politicians are no longer listening to them.

This is an article from a few years back which aludes to some diffenreces between the UK and US when it comes to politcians

But whereas U.S. electoral schisms deepen political polarization between the parties, in Britain the electorate has united -- in complete contempt for all the leaders.


http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/01/politics/uk-elections-david-cameron-ed-milliband/index.html

Don't you think though much of this is .. petty? Like from all sides? Donald Trump is a human being. There I said it. The amount of personal abuse that is dished out to him day in and day out is ridiculous. It forms the constant noise around him and has desensitized the impact of anything he does. So when he does something worthy of standing up to it gets lost in amongst all the outrage and this blanket need to mock and denigrate him. It all becomes just one noise.

Of course my reaction to Macron was of a similar.. well ballpark, attitude. Calling someone a wuss is probably mild compared to the things said about Trump. However it is the same type of thing, I admit that. Yet there is balance when other leaders are assessed. So Trump didn't want to be part of the accord. Does that really mean the US is not going to continue already implemented environmental protocols? Our awareness of the environment has translated to lifestyle changes where there is no going back. Solar power, green waste, recycling, packaging choices. Donations. These are things I've made part of my life and lots of people do, though there is way too much litter everywhere still. I realize emissions are often out of the individuals control (except maybe cars) but I believe individuals can still make a difference just by choices we make. I also hold out a thought that though not part of the accord the US will still present some kind of alternative compromise. Though I have nothing apart from mentions in a press speech to base that on.

If the US is going to continue already implimented enviromental protocols and a seemingly a large majority of Americans favoured staying in the accord why pull out? Even cars are with peoples control to a certain extend, they can buy the most fuel efficent, least polluting cars.

Why should the rest of the World pay any attention to a compromise from the USA? As Trump has basically said you can't trust the word of a US President as the next person can just decide to ignore it. International treaties are complex things and you don't always get exactly/everything your side wants. If anything withdrawing could weaken the USA in future negotiations (not just in climate negotiations).

Trump is doing himself no favours with other world leaders, i.e. pushing to the front at the NATO photo. The recent spate with the London mayor etc, some might say he needs to stop using twitter

Now as for the amount of abuse Trump might be getting, and his supporters disagreeing with. How many of them spoke out about the abuse Obama got?
 
Trump types won't care when scientists up stick and leave the USA. If the Earth goes to pot in the future they won't care since they will be worm food. Short-termism is the name of the political game.
All he cares about is himself and how he thinks he looks. He doesn't even care about his own children other than to what extent they make him look good. He's a fragile ego given human form.

That's why he doesn't care about the planet, it just needs to last until he dies.
 
The amount of personal abuse that is dished out to him day in and day out is ridiculous...

...amongst all the outrage and this blanket need to mock and denigrate him.

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Your move.
 
And I suspect that is down to similar reasons the electorate feeling that their politicians are no longer listening to them.

This is an article from a few years back which aludes to some diffenreces between the UK and US when it comes to politcians

But whereas U.S. electoral schisms deepen political polarization between the parties, in Britain the electorate has united -- in complete contempt for all the leaders.


http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/01/politics/uk-elections-david-cameron-ed-milliband/index.html



If the US is going to continue already implimented enviromental protocols and a seemingly a large majority of Americans favoured staying in the accord why pull out? Even cars are with peoples control to a certain extend, they can buy the most fuel efficent, least polluting cars.

Why should the rest of the World pay any attention to a compromise from the USA? As Trump has basically said you can't trust the word of a US President as the next person can just decide to ignore it. International treaties are complex things and you don't always get exactly/everything your side wants. If anything withdrawing could weaken the USA in future negotiations (not just in climate negotiations).

Trump is doing himself no favours with other world leaders, i.e. pushing to the front at the NATO photo. The recent spate with the London mayor etc, some might say he needs to stop using twitter

Now as for the amount of abuse Trump might be getting, and his supporters disagreeing with. How many of them spoke out about the abuse Obama got?
The US was expected to pay 3 billion dollars over to poorer countries to be part of this accord. Why should they? Why should taxpayers have to pay anything more than they already have to so another (poorer) country still polluting too much can lag behind the rest of the world?

You know bringing up what abuse another has had is negative argument. It doesn't counter anything or change the fact Trump is copping it worse often by the very same hypocrites that pretend to have the high moral ground. It's like they can talk the talk only. The moment they are called on their hypocrisy they whine about Obama..
 
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Why should the rest of the World pay any attention to a compromise from the USA? As Trump has basically said you can't trust the word of a US President as the next person can just decide to ignore it. International treaties are complex things and you don't always get exactly/everything your side wants. If anything withdrawing could weaken the USA in future negotiations (not just in climate negotiations).
Oh and on that point.. that is just silly. Are you suggesting that if the US decided to rejoin an accord or present an environmental initiative the rest of the world is going to sulk and take its toys home, lol. Get real. If it is about the enviroment the rest of the world will suck away.
 
The US was expected to pay 3 billion dollars over to poorer countries to be part of this accord. Why should they? Why should taxpayers have to pay anything more than they already have to so another (poorer) country still polluting too much can lag behind the rest of the world?

You know bringing up what abuse another has had is negative argument. It doesn't counter anything or change the fact Trump is copping it worse often by the very same hypocrites that pretend to have the high moral ground. It's like they can talk the talk only. The moment they are called on their hypocrisy they whine about Obama..
Why feed hungry children? They'll only get hungry again. Why heal the sick? Sickness returns. Why comfort the poor in spirit? You cannot make them permanently happy. Why invest any time or money into anything when you can hoard it and enrich yourself? It's certainly not the message of Christ, but it does often seem to be the message of fundamentalist Christians, who praise him with their lips, but deny him by their lifestyle. For what shall it profit a man if he gains the world, but loses his own soul?
 
Oh and on that point.. that is just silly. Are you suggesting that if the US decided to rejoin an accord or present an environmental initiative the rest of the world is going to sulk and take its toys home, lol. Get real. If it is about the enviroment the rest of the world will suck away.

Isn't that exactly what Trump has done with recards to the Paris accord taken his toys home? Only two other countries aren't signatories to it

Syria which is in the midst of a civil war and Nigaragua which felt it didn't go far enough.

But how does Trumps decision to withdraw from the Paris Accord Benefit the USA?

Of course the date the US withdrawal takes effect is the 4th November 2020 or the day after the next US Presidential elections. So we could have the bizare circumstance of the US re-entering it a few months later if a different President takes office.
 
So, yes, tribalism and political polarization are generally not the ideal, and compromise is something we should always strive for, but political division is not an absolute good or bad thing, it depends on the circumstances that give rise to it.

I think I didn't express myself exactly enough. I agree with you that being divided is not necessarily a bad thing, as long as all parties are still willing to compromise voluntarily for the greater good. But sometimes I do have the feeling that this general 'goodwill' to reach a compromise that is acceptable for everyone, even if it harms ones own program, is diminishing.
 
I think Trump withdrawing from the Paris climate accords is basically rooted in his pathological desire to undo any evidence that Barack Obama was President. Trump is a man-child, and can't stand anyone other than himself receiving credit or praise - especially internationally - unless that person is Donald Trump.
 
Mr Trump is proof that rich, white American men can get away with anything in the USA. If President Obama or President Hillary Clinton acted the same way, forces would be in place to drum them out of office.
Trump is a reflection of some of the American people, they put him in office, they better own their mess.
A similar right wing mess might happen here tomorrow...
 
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