SNW truly respects TOS continuity!

[Ronald Held]

So Roddenberry/Berman Trek are effectively a different universe than Kurtzman Trek, despite claiming to be the Prime Universe?

 

[BillJ]

So Roddenberry/Berman Trek are effectively a different universe than Kurtzman Trek, despite claiming to be the Prime Universe?

For me? Yeah.

 

[Campe]

Which is the same timeline as ENT. All of Trek happens in the same continuity unless history is changed in a particular episode or episodes or a film and must then be corrected. I don't buy into the "FC altered everything" theory and really never have. A teenage Kirk learning about Earth history in school would read about Jonathan Archer, the NX Project and the Xindi probe attack.

I agree but if that explanation helps people sleep at night over these perceived continuity issues, cool by me.

 

[Timofnine]

So Roddenberry/Berman Trek are effectively a different universe than Kurtzman Trek, despite claiming to be the Prime Universe?

Roddenberry and Berman Trek is my favourite Trek but I somehow feel that there is more to all of this than meets the eye and I am wrong in saying that this is my favourite version of Trek ? Or am I right? Who knows? Not me

Star Trek is getting too complicated for me I might go Star Wars… haha

 

[Nerys Myk]

Roddenberry and Berman Trek is my favourite Trek but I somehow feel that there is more to all of this than meets the eye and I am wrong in saying that this is my favourite version of Trek ? Or am I right? Who knows? Not me

Star Trek is getting too complicated for me I might go Star Wars… haha

Like what you want. There are no rules.

 

[yotsuya]

You’re being disingenuous.

The Prime timeline has long been how the fandom refer to the main continuity from TOS-ENT. By stating Discovery takes place in the Prime timeline, those involved were saying it’s part of that same continuity. That’s what “it’s supposed to mean” (ie: exactly what it says).

Some may refer to it that way. I've always referred to canon. All the live action trek is canon. And I remember the debates about whether Enterprise was canon or not. I think those debates had merit, but I think how the series played out settled the matter. Will Discovery or SNW settle the matter or leave it hanging? Who can say.

I’m not offended if you call it a reboot. I’m not cross if you want to say it takes place in a different universe. Neither of those statements are true though. Authorial intent trumps fans I’m afraid.

See, you saying my opinion is not true is the issue I have. That is your opinion and I believe Canon trumps producers when you have a franchise that has such a long history.

You’re free to headcanon whatever you like, but it’s pretty silly to play semantic games with statements of clear intent in order to make yourself feel better about it all.

At some point all the current series are going to end and pass into the realm of past Trek. I think that in the future when they are looked back on, the inconsistencies will be noted and an explanation created. I'm just thinking ahead. My fandom predates TNG so I've seen a lot of discussions over the years. I know how a lot of fans think and how they settled past discrepancies. The simplest and most elegant way to sort out the current series discrepancies is reboot in parallel universe following the prime timeline. So in the SNW universe, there will be a Picard a Stargazer and a 1701-D. There will be a voyager and a Janeway.

 

[fireproof78]

Will Discovery or SNW settle the matter or leave it hanging

It won't.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Will Discovery or SNW settle the matter or leave it hanging? Who can say.

Of course it's canon. Nothing will change that.

The simplest and most elegant way to sort out the current series discrepancies is reboot in parallel universe following the prime timeline.

Nope, that's the opposite of elegant.

That is your opinion and I believe Canon trumps producers when you have a franchise that has such a long history.

Canon is just one tool that the producers. writers and artists can use to tell stories. It's not a "trump card"

 

[cooleddie74]

Canon trumps the creators and producers if the studio says so. Roddenberry didn't think TFF and TUC were. Tough. Both were and still are.

 

[Mudd]

I believe Canon trumps producers when you have a franchise that has such a long history.

This means just as much as my deciding that I believe in unicorns, and no more.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

It's my understanding that for better or worse, all televised Trek is Canon?

 

[cooleddie74]

If it lands on a screen small or big it's canon.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's my understanding that for better or worse, all televised Trek is Canon?

And the films.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

And the films.

Of course, sorry. My bad.

 

[yotsuya]

It's my understanding that for better or worse, all televised Trek is Canon?

If it lands on a screen small or big it's canon.

And yet are we quite sure about TAS? Is that canon? See, here I agree with Roddenberry, that not it is not. yet others include it. So is canon really that much of a fixed immovable thing, or it is more a selection of what fits together? Do we all agree on canon or no? i think the answer is no. So I think canon is more in the hands of fans than it is in the hands of producers. When they produce more, do we add it automatically or not?

Several have mentioned they don't consider TMP as canon. Is that any different from considering DIS and SNW part of a reboot universe? Perhaps a parallel universe? Not really. So when it comes down to it, the canon among fans is more significant to certain circles of fans than what the producers try to add to canon. Timeline, continuity, canon - these are all things that fans control by rejecting things that don't fit for them. I'm sure there are still a slice of fans who never got on board with TNG and consider canon to just be the original cast.

Those of us with broader minds than that were spoiled by the very consistent Berman years where the Okuda's were able to keep outlying incidents to a miniumum.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

So if canon is mutable and up the interpretation of the individual then what’s the point of it anyway?

 

[fireproof78]

It's all a mental exercises. We have no say, save for how we choose to interact with it. My declaring something not canon has no bearing.

So if canon is mutable and up the interpretation of the individual then what’s the point of it anyway?

There isn't any.

 

[cooleddie74]

I wish the Irish village holodeck episodes of VOY weren't canon. But they are. And somehow I sleep at night.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I wish that racist TNG Season 1 episode wasn’t Canon and so does Jonathan Frakes.

Sadly still Canon. If wishes were fishes…

 

[Gov Kodos]

I wish the Irish village holodeck episodes of VOY weren't canon. But they are. And somehow I sleep at night.

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