SNW truly respects TOS continuity!
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Visually, yes. But not universally. It’s still the same universe/timeline as all the other TV series and their related movies.
And they’re within their rights of the IP holders to do that. We’re just fans, we have no control over it.
And TOS always had bad ratings.TNG was really the only Star Trek show that had good consistent ratings throughout its run. So by his logic TNG was the only time Star Trek was good.
And I REALLY had a hard time typing that last sentence without cracking up.
TOS was on the edge of cancellation every season. Practically every legendary late '60s TV series you can picture that was contemporaneous with TOS got higher ratings than it did even if it aired on the same network.
Trek's only experience with sustained impressive Nielsen ratings was TNG. The series since either fell short or are measured differently.
Trek's only experience with sustained impressive Nielsen ratings was TNG. The series since either fell short or are measured differently.
Such as how Spock acted between "The Cage", "Where no man has gone before" and "Man Trap". Or the changing of Kirk's middle name. ..
Holy cow. It wasn't just a cosmetic change with the Klingons. They redesigned the entire race. The TOS era Klingons were nothing more than humans with a different complexion and a superiority complex who could be knocked out with one punch. By TMP -TNG they had become more animalistic in nature, WAY stronger than humans and had developed a completely different cadence to their speech and the way they moved. You could have given them an entirely different name and no one would have known the difference.
I wasn't a fan of changing the Klingons AGAIN either. But you are being very hypocritical it you're going bash this while giving a pass to the huge changes to the Klingons from TOS to TNG. That was a clear case of producers not bothering to stay consistent with continuity. And attempts in Enterprise to explain the change only made themselves look like fools for trying. And I LOVED DS9 but um....Blood Oath episode....
How do you explain that major discrepancy? These are actors playing the same exact roles thirty years later. Were the producers lazy and not trying or was this a reboot of the characters?
This was one of many things that turned me off Discovery so no arguments there.
It's not a reboot. If calling it a reboot helps you enjoy the show more then have at it. But that is your own head canon,
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There is a reason for this. TOS aired before they started breaking the numbers up so they could better see who was watching what (by age, gender, etc). TOS had huge viewership in some hard to capture categories that would have kept it on the air just a few years later. But since they were lumped together, the numbers looked horrible and TOS was always endanger of being cancelled. Just bad timing really.
Though shows were not always cancelled because of ratings. There were several shows cancelled while they were quite popular because the network executives just didn't like them or they wanted to change the programming.
Because it is hypocrisy or at least a double standard from older productions to newer productions. It's dismissing changes made that are accepted as "minor" while demanding an explanation for any new changes.But you are being very hypocritical it you're going bash this while giving a pass to the huge changes to the Klingons from TOS to TNG. That was a clear case of producers not bothering to stay consistent with continuity. And attempts in Enterprise to explain the change only made themselves look like fools for trying. And I LOVED DS9 but um....Blood Oath episode....
How do you explain that major discrepancy? These are actors playing the same exact roles thirty years later. Were the producers lazy and not trying or was this a reboot of the characters?
Such as how Spock acted between "The Cage", "Where no man has gone before" and "Man Trap". Or the changing of Kirk's middle name. ..
Holy cow. It wasn't just a cosmetic change with the Klingons. They redesigned the entire race. The TOS era Klingons were nothing more than humans with a different complexion and a superiority complex who could be knocked out with one punch. By TMP -TNG they had become more animalistic in nature, WAY stronger than humans and had developed a completely different cadence to their speech and the way they moved. You could have given them an entirely different name and no one would have known the difference.
I wasn't a fan of changing the Klingons AGAIN either. But you are being very hypocritical it you're going bash this while giving a pass to the huge changes to the Klingons from TOS to TNG. That was a clear case of producers not bothering to stay consistent with continuity. And attempts in Enterprise to explain the change only made themselves look like fools for trying. And I LOVED DS9 but um....Blood Oath episode....
How do you explain that major discrepancy? These are actors playing the same exact roles thirty years later. Were the producers lazy and not trying or was this a reboot of the characters?
This was one of many things that turned me off Discovery so no arguments there.
It's not a reboot. If calling it a reboot helps you enjoy the show more then have at it. But that is your own head canon,
I thought Ent. explanation of the Klingon change was well done and fun. The Klingons changing from TOS to TMP was actually due to budget of course. They could do it for TMP so they did.
But from TMP onwards things were pretty consistant. Even referencing the look of TOS/Movies in TNG, DS9, VOY Aand ENT. They kept the look with minor updates to the TOS sets in ENT.
Trying to justify the enormous shift in DISCO and SNW with all of Treks other continuity issues over the years doesnt make for a compelling argument imo. Sorry but the other productions tried harder. Lots of them were easily explained away.
NOW with all this said I most definitely was not expecting TOS sets, uniforms etc. Though I wish the scale of the 1701 interior were more accurate and Disco would have had better uniforms. I'm ok with lots of the visuals in both shows.
Though as evidenced by IN A MIRROR DARKLY. I do think more TOS style stuff would have worked just fine. With more updates than ENT had but an overall maybe 50 to 70% similar aesthetic.
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What evidence? it stood out like a sore thumb in that show.
Fun, but unnecessary.
True, but unnecessary fun is a trademark of Star Trek.
Each successive generation of Trek rebooted elements of the previous. Disco’s was extreme, yes. But it’s not a lot different from the TOS to TMP changeover. The future we saw in TOS was based off of a future extrapolated from 1966 just like TMPs was from 1979, like TNG was from 1987, like ENT was from 2001, like Trek 09 was from, well, 2009 just like Disco and each successive show was from 2017.
Exactly. And the same applies here.
The rules don't change just because you don't like the change.
This is true. Though there was a bigger aesthetic change from the 60's to the late 80's than the 80's to the 90's and the 90's to the 00's etc.
As I said. I mostly like the look of SNW but just wish they had keep the interior scale closer to TOS,TNG,VOY etc. But we have these cavernous hallways now, fun house turbolift interior etc. I would say the absolute best set they have done out of SNW and disco is the Enterprise bridge...
What rules???
WHY did they change the Klingons AGAIN??? And so drastically. The current makeup was totally fine. It was generally consistant since TMP. But now we have quad-trils on their noses. Elongated heads and a world aesthic that looks like something out of Asgard..completely the egos of those involved. Nothing to do with budget.
Oh, for sure. The SNW bridge and engine room are the two best starship locations to come out of the past 13 years of new Star Trek.
Because they wanted to expand upon the design, give a more alien look.
In other words, just like TMP. If it's acceptable for TMP, it's acceptable here. At least for me. Let's at least be consistent with our arbitrary standards.
Probably fair. I will say that TNG was a massive leap forward in the ways of future technology. Picard season 1 also tried with the holographic displays, but I imagine they were difficult to do on a weekly basis and if I recall, some fans didn’t really like them, wanting a return to LCARS.
I mean, ya can’t win.
I would think physical displays would be more dependable. Never understood the reason behind displays that float In the air.
I thought they looked alien enough. We will see what they do for Worf next year....
They won't change Worf. The fan base wants it safe, familiar and comfortable.
Too bad. Discovery Klingons were my favorite design.
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