SNW Chapel seems to have all of TOS Uhura traits.

[fireproof78]

I agree that there was plenty of flirting going on between Uhura and Spock in early TOS and it's a shame that those scenes didn't make it in. Certainly the way she dresses him down in Man Trap has shades of NuTrek's Spuhura. I think with Chapel, he DOES have feelings for her but they are human feelings. His Vulcan side doesn't see her as a logical mate.

Leila was originally Sulu's lost love so don't read too much into that.

I like to think that when Spock and Chapel finally mind meld or rather when she holds his katra, they learn enough about each other to reach a new understanding. She then is inspired to complete training as a medical doctor.

I think Spock had potential with both Uhura and Chapel, but he choose not to act on it, as it wasn't logical. I think we are getting the story of how he might come to that conclusion with SNW, rather than just assuming he never had feelings we are seeing that he does, but he must bring them back under control. Something akin to Tuvok's experience.

 

[Pauln6]

I think Spock had potential with both Uhura and Chapel, but he choose not to act on it, as it wasn't logical. I think we are getting the story of how he might come to that conclusion with SNW, rather than just assuming he never had feelings we are seeing that he does, but he must bring them back under control. Something akin to Tuvok's experience.

I think what I admire about their approach is that they are providing information to enable us to put what we see in TOS into context. So, her teasing Spock when they first find Korby now feels a lot more personal. Her confession of love under the Psi 2000 effect doesn't feel shoehorned in, their exchange in his quarters has more layers as he DOES have feelings for her. I hope they keep having him call her Nurse Chapel and she keeps reminding him to call her Christine in SNW. Her reaction to T'Pring is no longer, WHAT Spock has a fiancee, but more, oh no, not that beyatch again.

It's cleverly done and I like them being clever, rather than negligent.

 

[valden]

I think what I admire about their approach is that they are providing information to enable us to put what we see in TOS into context. So, her teasing Spock when they first find Korby now feels a lot more personal. Her confession of love under the Psi 2000 effect doesn't feel shoehorned in, their exchange in his quarters has more layers as he DOES have feelings for her. I hope they keep having him call her Nurse Chapel and she keeps reminding him to call her Christine in SNW. Her reaction to T'Pring is no longer, WHAT Spock has a fiancee, but more, oh no, not that beyatch again.

It's cleverly done and I like them being clever, rather than negligent.

Context may be key at times, in a way should fit better here than Spock having a foster sister he never spoke about, however the issue seems to be Christine chapel in general in SNW is just breaking many big canon moments.

In Amok time, it was more of a look of shock that he has a fiancé he never spoke off than... oh not that bitch again. Also spock amok shows Chapel new a lot about Tpring so it makes no sense in canon to say it was about oh not that beeytch again.

Also I think it was in Plato stepchildren, Chapel says this was the first time she was ever close to spock in such a way, but in SNW they have kissed and hugged. another big canon violation that cannot be spinned into context.Tpring is not even in context either because spock said he had not seen her since he was 7.

I feel what seem to be a issue here is that Christine Chapel was, in star trek lore reception seen as such a poorly done character in TOS. I always see her toping the worst character list in TOS as Wesley Crusher does for TNG. I ALSO heard Majel Rodenberry even distanced herself from the role in her later years.

It does feel like the writers in SNW are trying to apologise for how Chapel was written in TOS so they have over done things in SNW and re-imagined her too much that is too familiar, however they are still back to the same one issue the character had in TOS. her entire story arc is still very Spock related.

Also I had no idea about sulu and leia...sigh. this is just how bad the racism was. they never made uhura flirt further with spock and they gave a potential love interest of sulu to spock in the last minute. not too surprised when you think in TOS, Uhura the black woman and Sulu the Asian man did not even have first names for most of the show but Chapel , Scotty and Rand did. Sometimes I do see still some subconscious racial elements in SNW, though this is not the thread for that.

 

[fireproof78]

because spock said he had not seen her since he was 7.

I don't believe that is the dialog.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

Context may be key at times, in a way should fit better here than Spock having a foster sister he never spoke about, however the issue seems to be Christine chapel in general in SNW is just breaking many big canon moments.

In Amok time, it was more of a look of shock that he has a fiancé he never spoke off than... oh not that bitch again. Also spock amok shows Chapel new a lot about Tpring so it makes no sense in canon to say it was about oh not that beeytch again.
That is a matter of opinion but it still fits. "Oh! I thought she was GONE!"
Also I think it was in Plato stepchildren, Chapel says this was the first time she was ever close to spock in such a way, but in SNW they have kissed and hugged. another big canon violation that cannot be spinned into context.Tpring is not even in context either because spock said he had not seen her since he was 7.
Technically she did not say it was the first time. We inferred it. she says "I've wanted to be close to you,"

I feel what seem to be a issue here is that Christine Chapel was, in star trek lore reception seen as such a poorly done character in TOS. I always see her toping the worst character list in TOS as Wesley Crusher does for TNG. I ALSO heard Majel Rodenberry even distanced herself from the role in her later years.
True. So let's fix her up.

It does feel like the writers in SNW are trying to apologise for how Chapel was written in TOS so they have over done things in SNW and re-imagined her too much that is too familiar, however they are still back to the same one issue the character had in TOS. her entire story arc is still very Spock related.
Agreed. Time for a stand alone for Jess Bush NOT related to her love life.

Also I had no idea about sulu and leia...sigh. this is just how bad the racism was. they never made uhura flirt further with spock and they gave a potential love interest of sulu to spock in the last minute. not too surprised when you think in TOS, Uhura the black woman and Sulu the Asian man did not even have first names for most of the show but Chapel , Scotty and Rand did. Sometimes I do see still some subconscious racial elements in SNW, though this is not the thread for that.

 

[Pauln6]

Context may be key at times, in a way should fit better here than Spock having a foster sister he never spoke about, however the issue seems to be Christine chapel in general in SNW is just breaking many big canon moments.

In Amok time, it was more of a look of shock that he has a fiancé he never spoke off than... oh not that bitch again. Also spock amok shows Chapel new a lot about Tpring so it makes no sense in canon to say it was about oh not that beeytch again.

Also I think it was in Plato stepchildren, Chapel says this was the first time she was ever close to spock in such a way, but in SNW they have kissed and hugged. another big canon violation that cannot be spinned into context.Tpring is not even in context either because spock said he had not seen her since he was 7.

I feel what seem to be a issue here is that Christine Chapel was, in star trek lore reception seen as such a poorly done character in TOS. I always see her toping the worst character list in TOS as Wesley Crusher does for TNG. I ALSO heard Majel Rodenberry even distanced herself from the role in her later years.

It does feel like the writers in SNW are trying to apologise for how Chapel was written in TOS so they have over done things in SNW and re-imagined her too much that is too familiar, however they are still back to the same one issue the character had in TOS. her entire story arc is still very Spock related.

Also I had no idea about sulu and leia...sigh. this is just how bad the racism was. they never made uhura flirt further with spock and they gave a potential love interest of sulu to spock in the last minute. not too surprised when you think in TOS, Uhura the black woman and Sulu the Asian man did not even have first names for most of the show but Chapel , Scotty and Rand did. Sometimes I do see still some subconscious racial elements in SNW, though this is not the thread for that.

You can make assumptions about what characters are thinking but if subsequent dialogue proves you wrong, you have roll your eyes and move on. And never try watching Twin Peaks. That will mess you up.

Is it incredibly stupid that Spock used to undertake all tasks best suited to Uhura in TOS? Yes.

Does it make no sense that a ship sent on a diplomatic mission with the Klingons had nobody on board who could speak Klingon? Yes.

Would it make sense for Uhura to be that person? Yes.

Was she that person? No.

So yes, Chapel's look in Amok time could have been, WHAT, Spock has a fiancée, except we know it wasn't, because now we know she already knew he had a fiancée, so it must have been surprise at T'Pring still being on the scene despite Spock not mentioning her after so many years.

Chapel was one of the weaker characters to the point that, despite appearing roughly as often as Chekov, she is rarely counted among the main characters of TOS. This is an opportunity to change that. Embrace it!

 

[Pauln6]

I don't believe that is the dialog.

"our parents' arrangement. A ceremony while we were but seven years of age. Less than a marriage but more than a betrothal. One touches the other in order to feel each other's thoughts. In this way our minds were locked together, so that at the proper time, we would both be drawn to Koon-ut-kal-if-fee."

Nothing about them never having seen each other.

 

[Dar70]

Context may be key at times, in a way should fit better here than Spock having a foster sister he never spoke about, however the issue seems to be Christine chapel in general in SNW is just breaking many big canon moments.

In Amok time, it was more of a look of shock that he has a fiancé he never spoke off than... oh not that bitch again. Also spock amok shows Chapel new a lot about Tpring so it makes no sense in canon to say it was about oh not that beeytch again.

Also I think it was in Plato stepchildren, Chapel says this was the first time she was ever close to spock in such a way, but in SNW they have kissed and hugged. another big canon violation that cannot be spinned into context.Tpring is not even in context either because spock said he had not seen her since he was 7.

I feel what seem to be a issue here is that Christine Chapel was, in star trek lore reception seen as such a poorly done character in TOS. I always see her toping the worst character list in TOS as Wesley Crusher does for TNG. I ALSO heard Majel Rodenberry even distanced herself from the role in her later years.

It does feel like the writers in SNW are trying to apologise for how Chapel was written in TOS so they have over done things in SNW and re-imagined her too much that is too familiar, however they are still back to the same one issue the character had in TOS. her entire story arc is still very Spock related.

Also I had no idea about sulu and leia...sigh. this is just how bad the racism was. they never made uhura flirt further with spock and they gave a potential love interest of sulu to spock in the last minute. not too surprised when you think in TOS, Uhura the black woman and Sulu the Asian man did not even have first names for most of the show but Chapel , Scotty and Rand did. Sometimes I do see still some subconscious racial elements in SNW, though this is not the thread for that.

I do not think Spock said he had not seen her since he was 7. But Chapel as you say has been retconned and there is no way of explaining it away. She did not know Spock was engaged in TOS nor did she knew who T'prig was. Period. Dialogue from at least 1 episode proved this as well as SNW prodcuers acknowledging the changes.

 

[Pauln6]

I do not think Spock said he had not seen her since he was 7. But Chapel as you say has been retconned and there is no way of explaining it away. She did not know Spock was engaged in TOS nor did she knew who T'prig was. Period. Dialogue from at least 1 episode proved this as well as SNW prodcuers acknowledging the changes.

It was actually Uhura who asked who she was. So canon might be stretched if Uhura meets her in SNW.

 

[fireproof78]

I do not think Spock said he had not seen her since he was 7. But Chapel as you say has been retconned and there is no way of explaining it away. She did not know Spock was engaged in TOS nor did she knew who T'prig was. Period. Dialogue from at least 1 episode proved this as well as SNW prodcuers acknowledging the changes.

What's the dialog that shows Chapel does not know? I've looked but not seen it. I think fan assumption is more at play than actual spoken dialog.

 

[BillJ]

I don't believe that is the dialog.

Why would he be looking at a picture of a seven year old if he had seen her numerous times in the years in between? Sometimes you don't have to have explicit dialogue to get the meaning of a scene.

 

[Dar70]

What's the dialog that shows Chapel does not know? I've looked but not seen it. I think fan assumption is more at play than actual spoken dialog.

In the episode " What are little girls made of". Before Christine beams.down on the planet...bridge scene after opening teaser. She asks Mr. Spock if he has ever been engaged...

 

[fireproof78]

Why would he be looking at a picture of a seven year old if he had seen her numerous times in the years in between? Sometimes you don't have to have explicit dialogue to get the meaning of a scene.

People look at pictures for a lot of reasons. I think you can interpret it either way. Neither violates "canon."

 

[fireproof78]

In the episode " What are little girls made of". Before Christine beams.down on the planet...bridge scene after opening teaser. She asks Mr. Spock if he has ever been engaged...

Well, darn. Canon violation. Guess I'll stop watching.

 

[BillJ]

People look at pictures for a lot of reasons. I think you can interpret it either way. Neither violates "canon."

Spock is contemplating a forced bootycall and looking at a picture of a seven year old... Eww...

 

[BillJ]

In the episode " What are little girls made of". Before Christine beams.down on the planet...bridge scene after opening teaser. She asks Mr. Spock if he has ever been engaged...

Maybe Spock doesn't consider what he has with T'Pring as a human "engagement"?

 

[fireproof78]

Spock is contemplating a forced bootycall and looking at a picture of a seven year old... Eww...

Spock is getting married and recalling history. Not ew.

 

[Dar70]

Well, darn. Canon violation. Guess I'll stop watching.

I'm just saying man. Lol. Some of you have been saying that there was no on screen definite proof that no one knew Spock was engaged/married. Everyone just limited themselves to looking at Amok Time. Lol....

 

[BillJ]

I'm just saying man. Lol. Some of you have been saying that there was no on screen definite proof that no one knew Spock was engaged/married. Everyone just limited themselves to looking at Amok Time. Lol....

Thankfully, what we have with SNW is a solid reimagining of Star Trek.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm just saying man. Lol. Some of you have been saying that there was no on screen definite proof that no one knew Spock was engaged/married. Everyone just limited themselves to looking at Amok Time. Lol....

Actually, I don't care. I've given SNW one season. I'm good.