Snoke - speculation (spoilers)

[ALF]

Has anyone seen the side-by-side of Vader's exposed face compared to Snoke?

Interesting that the head scar is in nearly the same place. Some say he is a Vader clone. I think a cloned Vader theory isn't a good one - really let's leave clone storylines behind for a while not to mention the cloning wouldn't result in a scar [eyeroll].

Maybe he self-disfigured because these baddies are Vader-obsessive?

 

[Set Harth]

Phil Tippett on the Emperor in ROTJ: "Our intention was to create through makeup an age-wrinkled face with a large split cranium that was beginning to grow apart."

 

[Arrrrgggh]

Why would a clone have the same scars?

 

[YellowSubmarine]

So basically the Darth Plagueis hypothesis would mean that Snoke manipulated the Force to create Anakin, and he is only now at the point where he has his first apprentice. That's one hell of a wait for your plan to work and look at what an unstable fruit he got. He's always ready to blow. I can't imagine what pressure that would be for Kylo Ren, ha.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Kylo Ren wouldn't be his first apprentice. Darth Sidious would have been. When Palpatine killed him, Darth Plagueis obviously needed some time to get back together and only now has he the strength to act again.

 

[Reverend]

^For what it's worth, in the novelization, Snoke does make mention of at least one previous apprentice, possibly more (I forget whether it was plural or singular.)

 

[The Old Mixer]

I'd be the first to say if it seemed like reaching, but that side-by-side does make me wonder if there isn't something going on there. Could just be an homage, but I don't think that it's just a coincidence....

 

[sidious618]

Kylo Ren wouldn't be his first apprentice. Darth Sidious would have been. When Palpatine killed him, Darth Plagueis obviously needed some time to get back together and only now has he the strength to act again.

Kinda like Sauron, in a way.

 

[TRON JA307020]

I think they have left room open to make Luke being the mastermind behind Snoke. SNoke may just be a fake creation of Lukes(Look at the scar on his head. It looks a lot like Vaders). Luke could have designed the holographic Snoke after the way Anakin looked after he fought obi wan. When Rey went to find Luke there were bits of machinery at the start of the path. Luke could have dismantled any communication devices he had been using to project Snoke. I hope its not Luke but I wouldn't put it past these new creators to want to destroy al the original characters so they can let their own creations shine. If Luke has turned to the dark side I am pretty much done with Star Wars.

 

[Mage]

Well, since Andy Serkis had clearly stated in an interview about a week ago that Snoke is a completely new character in the Star Wars canon, I doubt he's an Ani clone.

 

[Kor]

^ +1

Serkis said "Snoke is just Snoke," or something like that.

... I hope its not Luke but I wouldn't put it past these new creators to want to destroy al the original characters so they can let their own creations shine. ...

There's no reason to assume that the creators of this new trilogy are trying to undermine the characters of the original trilogy. I think that's jumping to conclusions.

Kor

 

[137th Gebirg]

Then again, this is bought to you by the "Khan isn't Khan" people, too, so there is also that...

 

[dahj]

"Snoke is just Snoke"

"Snoke is just Snoke"

If you jumble it around it says:

"is just Snoke Snoke"

Which other character has two same names and speaks grammatically incorrect?

"is just Jar Jar"

Snoke is Jar Jar confirmed.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

I'm on the Snoke is Darth Plagueis bandwagon, because, remember, these are the same guys who swore up and down that John Harrison wasn't Khan.

But, comparing the pics of Old Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker to Snoke, there is a little too much of a similarity in scarring to be a coincidence. The question is, does Snoke also worship Vader as much as Kylo Ren to the point where he gives himself similar scarring?

Or, did Anakin Skywalker actually either survive the Death Star to become Snoke, or is Snoke the Force Ghost version of Darth Vader? Ain't It Cool News posted a few weeks ago some concept art for a rejected idea for Hayden Christensen to appear as the ghosts of both Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader. Maybe Snoke is just a cover name, since Supreme Leader Skywalker or Supreme Leader Vader would be a little too suspicious

If we assume that Snoke is Darth Plagueis, whose rumors of his death were greatly exaggerated, then it would kind of cheapen Palpatine/Darth Sidious' character, showing that he wasn't as powerful as he thought. Although, that kind of is in line with his character, since his big bad Death Star was taken out by a bunch of teenagers, he was constantly outwitted by Rebel scum, and finally did in by a combination of a shitty co-worker, inept employees and aggressive teddy bears

 

[Set Harth]

When Rey went to find Luke there were bits of machinery at the start of the path.

I don't think there's any special significance to that; it was probably just stuff Luke was using, but I didn't see anything that looked high-tech.

 

[Kor]

Force ghosts can only be seen by individuals strong in "The Force." They can't interact with technology such as holography the way Snoke does in TFA.

Plagueis was only briefly mentioned a in a few throwaway lines of dialog from an absolute throwaway movie. So if Snoke turns out to be Darth Plagueis, I think most people would just scratch their heads, unless there was a lot of boring exposition just to explain who this guy is.

"Yes Kylo, it is I, Darth Plagueis the Wise, the former master of the late master of your late grandfather, and I am back to lead the Galaxy to the Dark Side after having been attacked in my sleep and left for dead sixty years ago by my late former pupil, said late master of your late grandfather, and managing to survive with this disfigured head and hide in a hole on some backwater planet, doing absolutely nothing in all that time while my late former pupil and your late grandfather ruled a Galactic Empire that I should have been part of."



Kor

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Granted, it does sound a little ridiculous when you put it that way, but is it really any more ridiculous than either a bunch of Sith rejects and Darth Sidious/Vader wannabes trying to take over the galaxy

 

[arch101]

I'm not sure who it is right now as I've only seen the film once. But it DOES seem that they went to an awful lot of trouble to give Snoke those very particular scars.

 

[TRON JA307020]

^ +1

Serkis said "Snoke is just Snoke," or something like that.



There's no reason to assume that the creators of this new trilogy are trying to undermine the characters of the original trilogy. I think that's jumping to conclusions.

Kor

Yeah just like they told us again and again that Cumberpatch wasn't Khan. I'm not saying Luke is pulling the strings for sure but I think they wanted to leave it open a bit so that they could do it if they wanted. Snoke looks to ill defined to be a real creature in some ways. I think he is a hologram being controlled by someone else that knows what kind of scars vader had and wanted to emulate them in their hologram creation and that someone else could be Luke. Maybe not likely but I think the creators have considered it. We know that Luke has been tempted by the dark side before in ROTJ at least for a little while so he isn't perfect. Since Rey seems to be perfect they may be setting her up as the incorruptible new hope and she may have to save Luke. I hope not but it seems like they have made room for that possibility.

 

[Set Harth]

Force ghosts can only be seen by individuals strong in "The Force." They can't interact with technology such as holography the way Snoke does in TFA.

We do know that they can levitate a Jedi.