Skitz Interview where Beltran bashes Trek, Voyager, and Trek fans

[Boy Wonder]

Hi, I don't quite get why everyone is so worked up about all this. Everyone seems to criticise beltran for what he's said, but he's talking about writers and producers he actually knew and worked with. Your all saying this is wrong and yet your bitching about a guy none of you even know. So whos worse??

Firstly, Beltran did have some legitimate grievances with the level of quality in writing. However, like I have said before, you either shut up or talk to the writers. No point screaming at us the people that watch it because we cannot do anything. It's career suicide.

Secondly, if these claims by Beltran held any water then he knew what sort of ride he was in for after season one when the Maquis conflict was abandoned and he only got a few episodes dedicated to his character here and there. About two per season. That trend was long established before Jeri Ryan joined. Yes his genereal fluff screen time was drastically cut, but it made no difference as it was just pointless meandering filler.

The writers didn't know what to do with him from virtually day one. An american indian that is spiritual. Did he honestly think his character would become the focus or get a decent amount of screentime. Star Trek doesn't delve into religion and they certainly don't know how to write for token ethnic characters.

All Beltran had to do was look at past series of Star Trek and realise they only ever concentrated on a few characters (Kirk, Bones, Spock/Data, Worf, Picard, Sisko, Odo, Kira) combined that with the fact that he is a poor actor with a woeful character, it's not surprising his screen time was cut.

I know that, but what, can't Mulgrew deal with the fact that a very attractive women who flaunted her assets could also act as well?

Mulgrew did acknowledge that Ryan was a talented actress in her interviews. It wasn't Ryan that bothered her but the attitude of the network suits.

But she still took her frustration out on Jeri by all accounts when it wasn't her fault.

 

[Takvah]

Man, I wish that the producers of the show knew how much this guy hated his gig. Killing off a major player would have been a pretty big event for a Trek series and would have given the writers all sorts of avenues to go down for the cast members that gave a damn. Awwww hell, I always thought Chakotay was a tool as a character and I would have loved to have seen him whacked. DAMN IT! DAMN IT TO HELL! WHAT A MISSED OPPORTUNITY. Why didn't this manwhore just say, "Guys this isn't working for me... kill me off."? I know he was supposed to be the stabilizing male influence on the show but they could have moved somebody up to take his place. Chakotay was a pretty weak sounding board anyway with Janeway and Torres ignoring his sage advice most of the time.

Ah, well... maybe one day Voyager gets a film appearance and Chakotay can take a Batleth to the gonads. Here's to hopin'.

 

[Boy Wonder]

Nah, Janeway has already slashed Chakotay's balls, they're on her desk next to her mug of coffee serving as a reminder that she is top bitch.

 

[kimc]

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[freak]

Thanks, kimc, for saying that. If I were a MOD, I'd say the same thing.
Anyway, back to the topic at hand. I agree what brosy said. Why are you all bashing someone whom you don't even know and waiting this long to do so? This interview was in 2003 for crying out loud. But as I've said in previous posts here..you either love his attitude or hate it. I absolutely love it. And from what I've read, a lot of his fans are angry at him for saying the things he says about Trek and Voyager. IMHO, this guy has every right to voice his opinions, just as we the fans have a right to voice ours as well. Yes, at times, I find his attitude kinda ticky but he had every right to complain because his character was underutilized at times on the show and I was angry that Janeway sometimes waited til the last minute to take his character's advise. Here's an example of that: In the episode, "Course: Oblivion", where the crew realized that they were duplicates all along(made no sense to me whatsoever!), Chakotay tried to convince Janeway that "home isn't earth" and to go to the Demon class planet. Well, of course she was stubborn and didn't intend to take his advice until the very last minute when they lost him. So, she argued with him at first and just poo-pooed him off..then later on, when he turned to liquid form and supposedly croaked, she up and decided: hey, why not go to the Demon class planet? But she sometimes did not take his advise to heart at all.
I know beltran constantly talks about his whining about the producers at cons and I can understand people getting fed up with it. But that does not mean others can criticise the fans who support Beltran's beliefs(even I don't agree with what he says sometimes but I don't criticise him for what he believes as an individual.) Anyway, just thought I'd send out my other .02 cents on the matter.

 

[freak]

I know people don't like to hear it but Mugrew, Ryan and Picardo were Voyager. They make the show. They are great actors, have personality and presence. If the show had more episodes dedicated to Neelix, Chakotay, Kim or Paris I definitely would not have watched the show.

If I may, I'd like to comment about this. It's not just one, two or three people that make a show..it's the ENTIRE CAST that makes a show worthwhile! And they were not all the show..just a part of it. They may have had more camera time, but that doesn't necessarily make them all "the show". That's ridiculous.

 

[Mareika]

Thank you freak. I agree in all things you wrote.

But I think this interesting to read.
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Starship/9943/Interviews/Commanding_Respect.html

And this too
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Starship/9943/Interviews/Seven_Years_Bad_Luck.html

 

[freak]

Thank you freak. I agree in all things you wrote.

But I think this interesting to read.
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Starship/9943/Interviews/Commanding_Respect.html

And this too
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Starship/9943/Interviews/Seven_Years_Bad_Luck.html

Thanks, Mareika for those interviews. I think I've read them before! I loved them both.

 

[voyagerfan]

Patrick Stewart just does impressions of him as Picard, I think he rather likes it LOL

 

[freak]

LOL! I'm sure he does, voyagerfan.

 

[Boy Wonder]

I know people don't like to hear it but Mugrew, Ryan and Picardo were Voyager. They make the show. They are great actors, have personality and presence. If the show had more episodes dedicated to Neelix, Chakotay, Kim or Paris I definitely would not have watched the show.

If I may, I'd like to comment about this. It's not just one, two or three people that make a show..it's the ENTIRE CAST that makes a show worthwhile! And they were not all the show..just a part of it. They may have had more camera time, but that doesn't necessarily make them all "the show". That's ridiculous.

Ms. Freak, sorry to burst your bubble but I do not agree. You need to be able to look at a show and if you take one element away from that show you need to know if it can survive. Taking away Chakotay, Paris, Neelix, Kes, Tuvok, Torres & Kim, the show would survive as they are not major players and for the most part did not accomplish anything of significance. Whereas if you took away Seven, Janeway or the Doctor, I doubt voyager would have flourished or even survived until the seventh season. They were the most interesting and complex characters on the show.

When I think of Voyager I think of those three first and foremost, the rest are just an afterthought, such as the Token Asian Guy (C), Wooden Indian (C), The Halfbreed Klingon (C), Mister Annoying (C), The Pilot (C), Pixie the Munchikin (C) Inferior Spock (C).

I like most, if not all of those characters, however they do not make the show and contributed very little to the show overall. Their departures would not mean a great deal, whereas the big three would.

 

[exodus]

I know people don't like to hear it but Mugrew, Ryan and Picardo were Voyager. They make the show. They are great actors, have personality and presence. If the show had more episodes dedicated to Neelix, Chakotay, Kim or Paris I definitely would not have watched the show.

If I may, I'd like to comment about this. It's not just one, two or three people that make a show..it's the ENTIRE CAST that makes a show worthwhile! And they were not all the show..just a part of it. They may have had more camera time, but that doesn't necessarily make them all "the show". That's ridiculous.

Ms. Freak, sorry to burst your bubble but I do not agree. You need to be able to look at a show and if you take one element away from that show you need to know if it can survive. Taking away Chakotay, Paris, Neelix, Kes, Tuvok, Torres & Kim, the show would survive as they are not major players and for the most part did not accomplish anything of significance. Whereas if you took away Seven, Janeway or the Doctor, I doubt voyager would have flourished or even survived until the seventh season. They were the most interesting and complex characters on the show.

When I think of Voyager I think of those three first and foremost, the rest are just an afterthought, such as the Token Asian Guy (C), Wooden Indian (C), The Halfbreed Klingon (C), Mister Annoying (C), The Pilot (C), Pixie the Munchikin (C) Inferior Spock (C).

I like most, if not all of those characters, however they do not make the show and contributed very little to the show overall. Their departures would not mean a great deal, whereas the big three would.

I strongly disagree.

Allot of fans would have greatly missed the other characters even if you wouldn't have. Be'Lanna for example was vital to many of Voyager's stories and plots, who also enhanced other characters like Tom, Harry and even Neelix.

While the show may have focused on the 3, the show would have been nothing without the balance the other characters provided.

 

[freak]

I know people don't like to hear it but Mugrew, Ryan and Picardo were Voyager. They make the show. They are great actors, have personality and presence. If the show had more episodes dedicated to Neelix, Chakotay, Kim or Paris I definitely would not have watched the show.

If I may, I'd like to comment about this. It's not just one, two or three people that make a show..it's the ENTIRE CAST that makes a show worthwhile! And they were not all the show..just a part of it. They may have had more camera time, but that doesn't necessarily make them all "the show". That's ridiculous.

Ms. Freak, sorry to burst your bubble but I do not agree. You need to be able to look at a show and if you take one element away from that show you need to know if it can survive. Taking away Chakotay, Paris, Neelix, Kes, Tuvok, Torres & Kim, the show would survive as they are not major players and for the most part did not accomplish anything of significance. Whereas if you took away Seven, Janeway or the Doctor, I doubt voyager would have flourished or even survived until the seventh season. They were the most interesting and complex characters on the show.

When I think of Voyager I think of those three first and foremost, the rest are just an afterthought, such as the Token Asian Guy (C), Wooden Indian (C), The Halfbreed Klingon (C), Mister Annoying (C), The Pilot (C), Pixie the Munchikin (C) Inferior Spock (C).

I like most, if not all of those characters, however they do not make the show and contributed very little to the show overall. Their departures would not mean a great deal, whereas the big three would.

I'm sorry to burst YOUR bubble, mister, but I have to strongly disagree with this statement as well. I think a whole cast makes an episode-not just one person. And I was also offended at the names of the cast or stereotypes that you used("Inferior Spock, Mister Annoying, etc). I guess you're not a "true fan" of the show, which means even if you don't like it, you respect it as science fiction. Not to sound harsh, but you are not a true Voyager fan. I happen to love and respect Voyager very much(it got me through High School and such..I know, lame right?!) as well as all of the actors. But it's the posters on here who give Voyager a bad name, which sucks. But anyway, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree..okey dokey? Shoot, man, if you hate the show just say so!

 

[EEE]

But still, it gets old hearing the same thing over and over again about someone.

This REALLY cracks me up... someone complaining about repetition on a Star Trek BBS!

 

[freak]

But still, it gets old hearing the same thing over and over again about someone.

This REALLY cracks me up... someone complaining about repetition on a Star Trek BBS!

What? Someone can't have one on here? Well excuse me then for just sharing an opinion. I don't find it amusing at all.

 

[kimc]

But still, it gets old hearing the same thing over and over again about someone.

This REALLY cracks me up... someone complaining about repetition on a Star Trek BBS!

What? Someone can't have one on here? Well excuse me then for just sharing an opinion. I don't find it amusing at all.

All opinions are welcome. I know once you've been around for a while you'll start to see some topics get discussed over and over again. Luckily we've had some new posters with fresh viewpoints lately though so I guess everything old is new again or something like that.

 

[Jeri]

Excuse me, I need a Beltran thread, LOL, and this qualifies. I just saw him in a really brief (almost drive-by) scene; I've been watching CSI:Miami on DVD and caught him in the first-season episode where the disco burns down.

I wasn't expecting to see him, and I knew it was him before I even got a good look at his face; it was the voice. Ok, you may resume your disorder.

 

[ria 75]

Excuse me, I need a Beltran thread, LOL, and this qualifies. I just saw him in a really brief (almost drive-by) scene; I've been watching CSI:Miami on DVD and caught him in the first-season episode where the disco burns down.

I wasn't expecting to see him, and I knew it was him before I even got a good look at his face; it was the voice. Ok, you may resume your disorder.

I was happy to see him playing a priest in Medium. I also recognized him quickly in spite of the pale gray hair and beard. (No voice, unfortunately: French dubbing. )

Boy Wonder, I'll refer you to your Latin classics: Aesop's fable or the belly and the lims. You want all belly and no limbs. But the belly dies without them.
A daily routine of Janeway-Doc-Seven would get repetitive more quickly.

I like small cast shows, and how much character development it allows, but Star Trek is about diversity.

Anyway, we have yet to see a Star Trek with a small crew. I'm sure it exists in fanfic but who has time for that?
We could move this argument to Future of Trek.

And no more Chakotay bashing, please. (Or ill-informed Beltran bashing.) If Beltran got a penny each time someone mentions Chakotay's balls... what's with that obsession?

kimc, you are an angel of patience and tolerance with noobs. As a newbie, I fell for (some of) the same traps, I made my mistakes, but you made me feel welcome.

 

[kimc]

kimc, you are an angel of patience and tolerance with noobs. As a newbie, I fell for (some of) the same traps, I made my mistakes, but you made me feel welcome.

Thank you. I try to take my cues from more experienced mods like my co-mod akiraprise.

Besides, I'm glad there's a lot of new folks lately. Not only are there fresh new topics but fresh viewpoints on the repeated ones.

 

[freak]

Excuse me, I need a Beltran thread, LOL, and this qualifies. I just saw him in a really brief (almost drive-by) scene; I've been watching CSI:Miami on DVD and caught him in the first-season episode where the disco burns down.

I wasn't expecting to see him, and I knew it was him before I even got a good look at his face; it was the voice. Ok, you may resume your disorder.

Yes, I saw him in that as well. I noticed the body language and thought..OMG..I know this person!! And then the voice and the face..I thought I'd die!!!! And I also saw him in the ep Medium..he looked a whole lot different..older, IMO with the gray beard and the long gray hair..almost reminded me of Merlin. He just needed the tall hat.
All joking aside, I am happy to see newbies here express their opinions as well..and yes I know this was on in 2002, but alot of people didn't know about this until later on.. This is not on the subject of Beltran bashing, per se, but this is more positive..my favorite movies of him are: To Die Standing(loved watching him run!!) Managua(ok felt sorry for him!) and of course, Kiss Me a Killer(he was DAMMMNNN hot in that one!!!! WHEW! ) Anyone have any favorite Beltran movies? Just curious and wondering.

BTW: Kimc, thanks for the kind words. You're a true Voyager fan.