I agree with Peter the Younger -- it looks like we are seeing ceiling lights through the windows, not some bizarre window cluster within a cut-out.
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darkwing_duck1
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Actually, there has been some VERY good analysis done here, by me, newtype, and quite a few others.
We've nailed the ship down to somewhere between ~720 and ~760m., based on the canon film.
I can do that monday- the only problem is that Photobucket woun't allow images that big.
Thanks.
It would be nice if you can do a good scan of the whole picture. it makes for a killer wallpaper
When I get it rescanned in at I can check out the final file sizes and see what I can do about making it available.
darkwing_duck1
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Go find one of the screencaps of Kirk running in the corridors. Those are the corridor celing lights.
The whole image can be seen in Dennis' thread about the Cinefex article and cover. The cover image at the Cinefex back issues page to which he links will stand up to some pretty serious zooming.
OK- forget the second picture for a moment-
Look at the small horizontal lights-inside each hull opening.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e267/RBaker2164/Windows-1.jpg
Look at the small horizontal lights-inside each hull opening.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e267/RBaker2164/Windows-1.jpg
darkwing_duck1
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I am...what those are are the recessed lights on the upper edge of the corridor wall where it meets the celing.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/xi/screencaps/trailer/trailer068.jpg
Um, that's what's on the other side of the window. A ceiling. With lights.
Example: http://andyeaves.com/recent/wp-content/gallery/museums/window-lights.jpg
Bummer- I was hoping they were rescaled window inserted into the existing CGI mesh. Too bad- if they were indows it would make the 'official' scale a little more realistic for me.
I wonder why they would have those huge floor to ceiling scaled windows along a cooridor side? it would make more sense for them to be observation rooms, VIP quarters or such...
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I wonder why they would have those huge floor to ceiling scaled windows along a cooridor side? it would make more sense for them to be observation rooms, VIP quarters or such...
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Thank you for the scan, Richard Baker.
They do look like ceiling lights. But that's no biggie; it's reasonable to assume the windows are not as small as on the original Enterprise, as such, the current size fits.
They do look like ceiling lights. But that's no biggie; it's reasonable to assume the windows are not as small as on the original Enterprise, as such, the current size fits.
Even the Connie refits had very large windows there:
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tff/ch6/thefinalfrontier0347.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tff/ch11/thefinalfrontier0859.jpg
I didn't remember that. Good one!
Even the Connie refits had very large windows there:
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tff/ch6/thefinalfrontier0347.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tff/ch11/thefinalfrontier0859.jpg
Well maybe those corridors have an extra wide area so you can step aside and look out the window. Very egalitarian, nobody gets "the good view" all to themselves, but you can see it when you step out your door in the morning.
They're more likely to be public areas cafeterias and briefing rooms etc etc. That would explain the windows in the neck and engineering hull, which probably coincide with office areas or reception areas for VIPs.
I would think the windows on the leading edge of the saucer would be the most coveted- dramatic views of the space the ship is travelling. I remember TNG's Ten Forward- a great spot for a crew lounce. To use the best view (aside from the Bridge) as a simple cooridor side seems a waste. It might be a special width one, but not very since you can see the far wall fairly close to the window.
From the logic of radial construction it would be more efficient to have the rooms outboard and the cooridor an interior ring- they way it is shown you would need to walk further to reach a smaller room. Assuming the rooms would be wedge shaped to fit the radial hull having doors to the cooridor inboard in the smallest tip of the wedge would make the room to room door separation smaller than if the doors were in the outboard walls with a oudside cooridor ring.
eh- just forget all of the above. I do not think this ship was thought out in terms of function but more designed for dramatic interest visually.
From the logic of radial construction it would be more efficient to have the rooms outboard and the cooridor an interior ring- they way it is shown you would need to walk further to reach a smaller room. Assuming the rooms would be wedge shaped to fit the radial hull having doors to the cooridor inboard in the smallest tip of the wedge would make the room to room door separation smaller than if the doors were in the outboard walls with a oudside cooridor ring.
eh- just forget all of the above. I do not think this ship was thought out in terms of function but more designed for dramatic interest visually.
trevanian
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Even the Connie refits had very large windows there:
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tff/ch6/thefinalfrontier0347.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tff/ch11/thefinalfrontier0859.jpg
Technically it didn't. Those windows don't correspond to anything on the model, though very early in prep for TFF they did an animatic (published in MACWORLD) showing how they wanted to do a flyby into camera that led into that lounge ... they'd've had to cut into the miniature to get something new there, so I don't know if the trekfan notion is that those were really viewscreens or just bad continuity with the existing windows on the side-fronts of the dish (since there aren't any on the leading edge.)
Hey guys... I was posting some of these images over in the Art forum, and they might be of interest. I scaled my new Enterprise model and my old TOS Enterprise model to approximately the sizes that have been agreed upon throughout the thread here...
Now, I don't claim that my new ship is totally accurate... but it's the right length for a comparison, anyway.
Have fun, guys.
Now, I don't claim that my new ship is totally accurate... but it's the right length for a comparison, anyway.
Have fun, guys.
Even the Connie refits had very large windows there:
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tff/ch6/thefinalfrontier0347.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tff/ch11/thefinalfrontier0859.jpg
Technically it didn't. Those windows don't correspond to anything on the model, though very early in prep for TFF they did an animatic (published in MACWORLD) showing how they wanted to do a flyby into camera that led into that lounge ... they'd've had to cut into the miniature to get something new there, so I don't know if the trekfan notion is that those were really viewscreens or just bad continuity with the existing windows on the side-fronts of the dish (since there aren't any on the leading edge.)
The window shades are simply drawn shut every time we see an exterior shot in TFF. Either that or the E-A is significantly larger than we thought... say, at least 700 meters and tall enough to have 78 decks.
trevanian
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Even the Connie refits had very large windows there:
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tff/ch6/thefinalfrontier0347.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tff/ch11/thefinalfrontier0859.jpg
Technically it didn't. Those windows don't correspond to anything on the model, though very early in prep for TFF they did an animatic (published in MACWORLD) showing how they wanted to do a flyby into camera that led into that lounge ... they'd've had to cut into the miniature to get something new there, so I don't know if the trekfan notion is that those were really viewscreens or just bad continuity with the existing windows on the side-fronts of the dish (since there aren't any on the leading edge.)
The window shades are simply drawn shut every time we see an exterior shot in TFF. Either that or the E-A is significantly larger than we thought... say, at least 700 meters and tall enough to have 78 decks.
So call TFF apocryphal and toss it, you'll need other sources to justify the ludicrous window size ... the only big ones on the refit are in engineering where I guess they decided the garden is located, and the rec deck.
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