Size Of The New Enterprise (large images)

[Crazy Eddie]

Would anyone care to provide the size of the Kelvin while we're at it?

That might be a just a little dangerous.

I have a feeling that if we get an official size of the Kelvin, then start comparing reference points & assumptions to the NuE you may wind up with a significantly smaller Enterprise than the purported 762m.

Then this tread would start all over again (or explode).

I tried a comparison similar to that a while back in the thread, and came up with 303m(995ft) for the Kelvin, but the relation seemed to force an educated guesstimate that the NuE was even smaller, down to 422m(1385ft).

Funny thing, based on a 760 meter Enterprise I figured out that the length from saucer tip to fantail is about 462 meters long (just for giggles). Partly this was to relieve some of the old purists who complain that the new ship is "bigger than the Galaxy class" when in fact most of that length is a pair of enormous warp nacelles, and that the Galaxy is actually "larger" in terms of useable volume and probably wider to boot.

But based on this image here, the Kelvin seems to stretch to just short of the Enterprise' fantail as well. From saucer tip to the end of the nacelle that would give a length of about 450 meters. That'll give you a saucer length of (ballpark, methinks, without measuring) 300 meters or so.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Now lets take a look at a shot from the teaser trailer that showed the Enterprise under construction...Using the same scale I took the figures and placed them about where they seemed to be in the screenshots I found..

Bridge Area...if you look directly to the left of the dome you can see a figure standing there...

That's a crane hook, not a figure.

As stated before, using the bridge windows as a reference we basically pegged the ship at 762 (plus or minus) meters in length. Even your diagram would contradict direct evidence from the movie.

 

[DSG2k]

The dimension for the original Galactica is totally wrong!
They state it's 615m, when it's actually 1,263-1,255m

That site didn't give much of a reference for that, but I found better:

http://ravensbranch.allen.com/galacticasize.html

Suffice it to say that the use of the 615m figure was at least forgiveable, whether or not it is correct, given that it was the most disseminated value.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

For the record, I just got back from watching the movie again. I can confirm that no one was ducking to get through the shuttle door. They ducked INSIDE the shuttle, but not to get through the door.

I did see that the door IS a little tighter than 2m, so based on that I'll revert to 1.8m instead of 2m.

1.8m (1 figure height) + .9m (1/2 figure height) + .3 (1/3 of 1/2 figure height = 3m total shuttle height (and thus a 15m minimum shuttlebay height). So we are still in the 716-762 ballpark for the total ship length.

 

[Mangledduk]

Now lets take a look at a shot from the teaser trailer that showed the Enterprise under construction...Using the same scale I took the figures and placed them about where they seemed to be in the screenshots I found..

Bridge Area...if you look directly to the left of the dome you can see a figure standing there...

That's a crane hook, not a figure.

As stated before, using the bridge windows as a reference we basically pegged the ship at 762 (plus or minus) meters in length. Even your diagram would contradict direct evidence from the movie.

Watch the trailer..that same crane hook stands up and welds...

 

[Kpnuts]

You can't estimate the size of people on a hull in comparison to the ship

 

[Mangledduk]

You are right, estimation is completely outside of the realm of human understanding...

 

[Kpnuts]

Instead of trying to ignore perspective and apply totally flawed estimates of the size of people and the dimensions of certain parts of the ship...

Why don't you just accept the official numbers?

 

[Praetor]

So, 762 m Enterprise and 450 m Kelvin, you say?

Would anyone care to theorize on whether the Kelvin was the same size in the Prime timeline, and if so, why Starfleet might've shrank their ships by the time the Constitution class was launched?

If they shrank them...

*ominous music*

 

[Richard Baker]

So, 762 m Enterprise and 450 m Kelvin, you say?

Would anyone care to theorize on whether the Kelvin was the same size in the Prime timeline, and if so, why Starfleet might've shrank their ships by the time the Constitution class was launched?

If they shrank them...

*ominous music*

The Kelvin is that size because JJA wanted it to be that size. I do not think he really cared 'why' Starfleet would be making ships of a particular size.

 

[Praetor]

Not really the answer I was looking for. Since I know that.

 

[Mangledduk]

Instead of trying to ignore perspective and apply totally flawed estimates of the size of people and the dimensions of certain parts of the ship...

Why don't you just accept the official numbers?

Because the massive amounts of differing numbers from various interviews do not qualify as "official numbers"....because several different shots from the movie with people on the hull do not show a ship of this dimension...and because of these shots...
yellow lines represent the level directly below the clamshell doors, and the second level of the shuttlebay... It definitely looks like the lower level of the shuttle bay is well below the level of the shuttle bay doors.

Just because people are raising questions does not give anyone good reason to attack them. We are having an intelligent debate. Maybe if people would look at it with an open mind you could see that it is indeed possible that the ship is smaller than we think it is. If they come out with an official manual and it says that the ship is 700 plus meters, that is fine with me. But from what they have shown us in the movie, its entirely possible the ship is not that big.

 

[Mangledduk]

On a 470 meter ship with the lower level of the shuttlebay where it is...this is how the shuttle bay COULD be. This is simply a diagram on what we COULD be seeing and I am in no way saying this is exactly what's happening. Yet I am open minded enough to see that it is indeed a possibility.....The shuttle is scaled to be exactly 30 feet long

Interestingly enough, when a ship is scaled to this size, the figures on the rest of the ship match up fairly closely to my estimates of the size of figures in comparison to the rest of the ship. If this is indeed what is happening, the evidence for a ship this size is supported by several different images..

 

[Mangledduk]

 

[Mangledduk]

 

[SonicRanger]

On a 470 meter ship with the lower level of the shuttlebay where it is...this is how the shuttle bay COULD be. This is simply a diagram on what we COULD be seeing and I am in no way saying this is exactly what's happening. Yet I am open minded enough to see that it is indeed a possibility.....The shuttle is scaled to be exactly 30 feet long

Interestingly enough, when a ship is scaled to this size, the figures on the rest of the ship match up fairly closely to my estimates of the size of figures in comparison to the rest of the ship. If this is indeed what is happening, the evidence for a ship this size is supported by several different images..

The shuttles aren't that small.

The shuttles aren't that crammed in the shuttlebay. How about trying to fit them in the bay based on its width?

The bridge window is obviously taller than a person, not shorter as you have.

Those aren't official illustrations either, so that is specious.

 

[Praetor]

That is somewhat compelling, mangledduk. But it still appears the ship is much larger, likely 762 meters.

 

[Mangledduk]

All I'm trying to show it is it possible that the ship is smaller. I'm not saying that it is. I just find it annoying when people will refuse to keep themselves open to other possibilities even though there is definite evidence against their stated figures. I think it could be as massive as many think, but I also think it might be much smaller. There really just isn't enough evidence or concrete proof to end this debate decisively yet. All I'm asking is for people to keep an open mind, and not just except figures blindly.

 

[Guartho]

Hey, this is a Star Trek forum. Open-mindedness can be checked at the door.

 

[Kpnuts]

Mangledduk, you realise you don't need to have 5 separate posts one after the other right? You can just put everything in the same post?

The point is, an official Paramount website tells us that it is 750 or so metres. We do have an open mind, but what do you expect us to tell you when you have unofficial, flawed ship schematics, where a person is somehow bigger than the height of the viewscreen?

If ANYTHING, you should be sizing your character drawings to fit the viewscreen, and work out the length of the ship based on that. If Spock is about 6 foot, the viewscreen would probably be about 10 feet tall. Why not try and work like that, rather than guessing and estimating the size of people based on other parts of the ship where really, we have no idea about scaling?