Size Of The New Enterprise (large images)

[ST-One]

It's a pretty crappy shuttlebay, too. Having those huge trusses right in the flight path isn't very smart, if you ask me.

There is quite a lot of room for any shuttle to manoeuvre in there.

 

[Trekker4747]

I'd take the TFF shuttlebay interiors with a grain of salt considering that it was built to fit in whatever studio they filmed it in and just looking at it looks smaller than the TOS shuttlebay interior.

 

[EJD1984]

The ship changes size from shot to shot-while it seems to be much larger than the classic TOS & refit, I didn't ever get the impression it was theh size of a Galaxy class. The shuttle bay is larger that the refits, but not that much larger.

I saw it again yesterday, and the ship does seem to change scale throughout the movie.

One example it the shuttle fly over shot - where is fly over the saucer's upper phaser bank. In the first few frames of that shot, we see the bridge window/view screen, and it looks to be the same length of the shuttle. That would almost make the rest of the ship as as large (if not more) than the Galaxy class.

It almost seems to me that ILM may have goofed on the FX. Could be the result of multiple teams working on various digital shots, and not checkig with their coworkers (I go though that all the time at my job). Instead of the "old school" where there's a real physical model for everyone to work with, and have a visual baseline.

 

[Kpnuts]

Well, lets see somebody make a 3D model of it to get a better scale for the size of the whole ship.

Here's a bunch of shuttles in MadMan1701A's mesh. The shuttles are 100m from end to end.

Apart from being a cool graphic, that gives no evidence whatsoever. Scale the shuttles by 10% and it changes everything.

The ship is huge. Look at the engineering/brewery scenes when Kirk and Scotty are evading security.

Easily 700 metres.

 

[MadMan1701A]

Well, lets see somebody make a 3D model of it to get a better scale for the size of the whole ship.

Here's a bunch of shuttles in MadMan1701A's mesh. The shuttles are 100m from end to end.

Cool.

I hadn't made the shuttlebay that deep, though... my plan was to fake it, if I ever finished the interior. The ship has to be larger, though... maybe I'll do up a render with my TOS enterprise mesh for a comparison...

 

[Kpnuts]

The shuttles are about half the size.

 

[Arlo]

It's a pretty crappy shuttlebay, too. Having those huge trusses right in the flight path isn't very smart, if you ask me.

There is quite a lot of room for any shuttle to manoeuvre in there.

Yeah, but not if a shuttle is coming in hot. Sucker could slam right into one of those beams. Youch. (granted, we only saw that done once ever in Trek...)

 

[Arlo]

Apart from being a cool graphic, that gives no evidence whatsoever. Scale the shuttles by 10% and it changes everything.

The ship is huge. Look at the engineering/brewery scenes when Kirk and Scotty are evading security.

Easily 700 metres.

LOVE the "x-ray" mode, that's awesome. Yeah, the ship is freakin' huge, no way around it.

 

[ST-One]

The ship changes size from shot to shot-while it seems to be much larger than the classic TOS & refit, I didn't ever get the impression it was theh size of a Galaxy class. The shuttle bay is larger that the refits, but not that much larger.

I saw it again yesterday, and the ship does seem to change scale throughout the movie.

One example it the shuttle fly over shot - where is fly over the saucer's upper phaser bank. In the first few frames of that shot, we see the bridge window/view screen, and it looks to be the same length of the shuttle. That would almost make the rest of the ship as as large (if not more) than the Galaxy class.

It almost seems to me that ILM may have goofed on the FX. Could be the result of multiple teams working on various digital shots, and not checkig with their coworkers (I go though that all the time at my job). Instead of the "old school" where there's a real physical model for everyone to work with, and have a visual baseline.

Actually, it is much easier to keep everything in scale with CGI than with miniature work.
If the ship changes size in the movie, then that is done so deliberately to get the greatest visual impact out of every frame.

 

[Richard Baker]

You cannot really use the Final Frontier hangar deck for scalling. The REALLY distorted it to have it become a live action set. The giant clamshell rear doors became vertical panels.
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I know they did add a rear bulkhead for ST5 to remove the cargo section from the film, but the hangar deck itself would have not lost width and the exterior shots show the same rear doors on the model.

 

[dougkeenan]

Apart from being a cool graphic, that gives no evidence whatsoever. Scale the shuttles by 10% and it changes everything.

The ship is huge. Look at the engineering/brewery scenes when Kirk and Scotty are evading security.

Easily 700 metres.

I agree. FWIW the shuttles are scaled by the size of a human (doors and seats) and agree with other estimates. Those shuttles are big, therefore so is the ship. If anything the Enterprise might be scaled larger, I expanded the mesh until the shuttles just fit.

 

[Lt. Trull]

Well, lets see somebody make a 3D model of it to get a better scale for the size of the whole ship.

Here's a bunch of shuttles in MadMan1701A's mesh. The shuttles are 100m from end to end.

Apart from being a cool graphic, that gives no evidence whatsoever. Scale the shuttles by 10% and it changes everything.

The ship is huge. Look at the engineering/brewery scenes when Kirk and Scotty are evading security.

Easily 700 metres.

Engineering/Brewery? O u mean all the nuclear reactors that power impuse drive and other essentials that they showed....

 

[dougkeenan]

Which would make the total size...?

Btw, where are those shuttle models from?

I built the heavy shuttle from those leaked photos trying to figure out how big it was. Here's the xray with some scaling.

Cramming the shuttles in means it's at least twice the size of E-classic. It would fit comfortably in a 700m ship.

 

[Zeppster]

This argument is just running and circles and will probably never be solved. Fact is that we didn't see the Enterprise compared to anything that we already know the size of for sure so it's pretty much an argument that will just be run in circles. Both sides are right in their way. But we really don't know the exact size of the old Enterprise strictly based on canon.

 

[dougkeenan]

We know the size of people, don't we? They fly in shuttles that fit in hangar bays.

 

[Praetor]

This argument is just running and circles and will probably never be solved. Fact is that we didn't see the Enterprise compared to anything that we already know the size of for sure so it's pretty much an argument that will just be run in circles. Both sides are right in their way. But we really don't know the exact size of the old Enterprise strictly based on canon.

How dare you bring that common sense in here.

If those current huge numbers are indeed official, then really it's already solved. Some people just aren't accepting it because of shots in the movie. I still think they had some scaling issues with the VFX, but that's not new to Trek in the slightest.

 

[Hyperspace05]

It almost seems to me that ILM may have goofed on the FX. Could be the result of multiple teams working on various digital shots, and not checkig with their coworkers (I go though that all the time at my job). Instead of the "old school" where there's a real physical model for everyone to work with, and have a visual baseline.

You really should know this - there was just as many (if not more) scale goofs when practical models were used.

You do realize that practical model shooting almost always was (and still is) done one element at a time, right? Both for practical shooting reasons and because they would almost never build for example a shuttle and a large ship in the same scale.

CG makes it it neither easier nor harder to render sizes consistently. It is all up to the artist team.

 

[Hyperspace05]

Which would make the total size...?

Btw, where are those shuttle models from?

I built the heavy shuttle from those leaked photos trying to figure out how big it was. Here's the xray with some scaling.

Cramming the shuttles in means it's at least twice the size of E-classic. It would fit comfortably in a 700m ship.

Nice shot... Another argument for the *ILM* figure of 2000ft (610m) that everyone seems to ignore.

 

[dougkeenan]

Nice shot... Another argument for the *ILM* figure of 2000ft (610m) that everyone seems to ignore.

That shot is nice because it doesn't show the upper deck of shuttles sticking out the secondary hull like an overhead shot did. Zoom it up and they fit fine.

 

[Praetor]

Which would make the total size...?

Btw, where are those shuttle models from?

I built the heavy shuttle from those leaked photos trying to figure out how big it was. Here's the xray with some scaling.

Cramming the shuttles in means it's at least twice the size of E-classic. It would fit comfortably in a 700m ship.

Nice shot... Another argument for the *ILM* figure of 2000ft (610m) that everyone seems to ignore.

A-hem:

If those current huge numbers are indeed official, then really it's already solved. Some people just aren't accepting it because of shots in the movie. I still think they had some scaling issues with the VFX, but that's not new to Trek in the slightest.