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Size of NX01 vs other ships

Does this mean the ships in the Kelvin Timeline are much more bigger than the Prime Universe? Thus, they have a bigger crew as well? Looking at the picture...the NCC-1701 in the Kelvin Timeline is just as big as the Enterprise-E in the Prime Universe...is this comparison official canon or speculation?
It's canon, as seen on the movie bluray extras, the art book and the new Star Trek Encyclopedia out in a few days.

The USS Kelvin had a crew of at least 800, and according to the old (and now defunct) Experience the Enterprise site, the Kelvin timeline Enterprise has a crew of 1100.
 
If anyone here has seen WaxingMoon's deck plans for the NX-01, you can see that although she's kind of big at 225m for the time period, the vast majority of the interior volume is taken up by very bulky machinary.

In fact, watching IaMD again last week, it was jarring how luxurious even the service coridors of the 1764 were, how much more compact the actual mechanics of the ship compared to the NX-01/9 in the same episode.
 
Honestly, the only time the size of an Enterprise (that I recall) was ever directly mentioned was in First Contact, and that simply set an upper bound of "almost 700 meters".

Everything else is *not* canon. Effects shots rarely match dialog. How many times did Word mention an object tens of thousands of kilometers away, and then have the scene immediately cut to an exterior shot showing the warbird/freighter/battlecruiser/whatever sitting right off the nose of the ship.

Interior sets rarely matched exterior scales. You'd have to double the size of the E-D to fit Ten Forward. The E-A has, what, 80 decks according to TFF? The Defiant and Bird of Prey changed from scene to scene. And all that was from people who cared deeply about consistency. They STILL produced shots that made zero sense.

Bad Robot, and associated production houses, care even less. The ship is precisely as big as the it needs to fit the frame of the current scene. Ad Astris covered all that at length. As did a thread I saw on here that made a perfectly justified claim that the Excelsior was 600+ meters long too. Just this thread shows conflicting evidence for the stated size of the NX and the one time it showed up on screen with a ship with a " known" length.

Mike Okuda is not the Pope of Star Trek, nor is Bernd Schneider. The size is what you want it to be.
 
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The NX-01 and 02 had several displays showing partial cutaways and deckplans, which conform to the size given. That and seeing inside through various forms of damage all show interiors consistent with 225 meters.

A couple of episodes of TNG gave the Enterprise-D's length.
 
Eh..."Remember Me" infers a size of less than "705 meters" as that was the size of the pocket universe and it hadn't started destroying the ship yet. No one ever says 642m on screen.
 
Close enough, wasn't 5 miles, wasn't 5 inches. The sizes of all the ships are easy enough to infer from their appearance on the show.

The problem is people insisting the NuTrek ships are a third of their actual size "just because".
 
It's canon, as seen on the movie bluray extras, the art book and the new Star Trek Encyclopedia out in a few days.

And yet in another thread people repeatedly and explicitly say that all these sources are certainly not canon. Only what we actually see and hear onscreen is canon.

Only things like these display graphics clearly seen in "The Enterprise Incident" can be considered canon then:

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net...5/height/195?cb=20090218231811&path-prefix=en

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net...5/height/195?cb=20090218232610&path-prefix=en

Which come from these Matt Jefferies size comparison plans…
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net...0/height/441?cb=20120728005901&path-prefix=en
…which clearly makes the TOS Enterprise's length canon.

(For bigger/clearer versions head over to the Memory Alpha article.)
 
The Kelvin Universe or more specifically the 'Kelvin Timeline' is the official name given by CBS when referring to the JJ Abrams films and new timeline. Thus, it has been made canon as the 'Kelvin Timeline' and not the Abramverse or any other name. for clarity when being referenced, mentioned, or discussed. (http://www.geek.com/tech/the-star-t...ts-official-name-the-kelvin-timeline-1659663/)

Also establishing officially - though not canonically - that the Kelvin existed as such in the Prime Universe.

Much bigger than the TOS Enterprise. :)
 
Close enough, wasn't 5 miles, wasn't 5 inches. The sizes of all the ships are easy enough to infer from their appearance on the show.

The problem is people insisting the NuTrek ships are a third of their actual size "just because".

First, no, these things aren't "easy enough to infer" because they literally change sizes between shots of the same movie and episode. Depending on the ship, the error range can be 20% to 200%. This is covered, extensively, elsewhere.

Second, the "actual" size of the Enterprise-D is 2 to 6 feet, the "actual" model. There is no actual size of the JJTrek ships, because they only exist virtually. These things "actually" do not exist. You need to ditch that word, as well as the level of authority it confers.

Third, the problem is in trying to apply preciously established rules to a set of movies that deliberately rejected them. They didn't even know the size of the new Enterprise until after the movie wrapped, because they never bothered to settle on a number. This is the complete opposite of how they handled the previous movie Enterprise (the E-E) when they explicitly set the size before building the filming miniature.

The only way the Kelvin, say nothing of the other ships in the movies, make sense is by keeping the whole lot self contained and away from the rest of Trek. The problem is people trying to mix oil and water.
 
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And yet in another thread people repeatedly and explicitly say that all these sources are certainly not canon. Only what we actually see and hear onscreen is canon.

Only things like these display graphics clearly seen in "The Enterprise Incident" can be considered canon then:

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net...5/height/195?cb=20090218231811&path-prefix=en

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net...5/height/195?cb=20090218232610&path-prefix=en

Which come from these Matt Jefferies size comparison plans…
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net...0/height/441?cb=20120728005901&path-prefix=en
…which clearly makes the TOS Enterprise's length canon.

(For bigger/clearer versions head over to the Memory Alpha article.)

This is actually an interesting case. Sure, the diagram is canon. But the numbers and scale are not legible. Does that count? I'd argue no, but I'd listen to an opposing argument.
 
It's a model, the model was scaled, the studio decided on a size. It's 642 meters nomatter what the fans say. So yes.

Once again, generally agreed upon, but still not canon. And the former is entirely up to the fans.
 
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Really, when the people who designed the thing want it to be a certain size, all future stuff to do with that thing will be designed to fit into that size (case in point: Kelvinverse Enterprise plaza, bridge, engineering, shuttlebay, windows etc) so although fans can dispute it all they want, evidence will mount and mount pointing to the studio's intention. So why fight it?
 
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