Simon Pegg on The Future of Star Trek

[fireproof78]

Some fans may still complain that they didn't see the same 'chemistry' between the characters (I disagree. It isn't the same like tos but no less valid) , however I have to accidentally point up that maybe some fans are partly to blame if tptb rushed some things (see the kirk/spock dynamic too). Fans didn't really give the writers a chance, imo, to gradually develop some things on their own. Some people demanded everything to be like tos from the start, asap, and when the writers did that they called it forced or complained they were just stealing stuff from tos. The writers felt the pressure of trying to placate old fans all the while preserving their own needs as writers to do their own new thing; it was a lost battle by default, Imo.

I agree. Its one of the reasons why the Kelvin comics were hits and misses for me. They would often tell TOS stories just reskinned with Kelvin Trek. As much as I love TOS and want there to be elements of it in Kelvin Trek I think there was too much of an expectation of it to be the same. And that damaged it in the long run.

 

[Nightdiamond]

imo (and with the benefit of hindsight considering it looks like theres only to be 3 JJverse movies)

Optimistically speaking, I was expecting a 7 movie run which could had covered a lot of things, interesting things. Using Beyond as wrapping up the series comes off as awkward. They lost the ship, the Vulcan issue is "to be continued", and nobody (fans) is really talking about it. It needs a better send off.

However, in beyond it seems tptb robbed us of truly seeing the five years mission and how the bonds in the crew were formed. The way st09 and stid ended, you were promised to finally see them on their mission and thus them becoming a good team..but beyond starts at almost the end of the mission where everything is literally destroyed in the first minutes. They tell us they are a good team but we never really saw their adventures.

I agree with this all the way. This is exactly what I mean. I thought we would begin seeing the crew develop into their roles and positions and characters in the next movies. But then I realized it was saying it already occurred, you're already seeing it.

I saw some of this in ITD, when it made an off screen reference to the Harry Mudd incident already happening. And with Sulu being placed in command of the Enterprise after Kirk and Spock left the ship.

Without the advantage of seeing Sulu as experienced, since he appeared to be a cadet in the first film. In the TOS he did take command a few times, but it was established that he was a senior officer with some experience.

Doing things like that makes the films look like it's telling you things happened instead of showing you, in order to speed things up. .

My point is you can create a new spock/mccoy dynamic that makes sense for this context and the integrity of this version of the characters. The insistence it must be totally like tos to be valid..I disagree with that because, if anything, making it too much like tos pretty much invalidates the point of this trek.

I have to be honest on this one, I think some fans were specifically looking for this dynamic. Even though it's a reboot or alternate timeline, the minute you say "McCoy and Spock", some people are going to say "where's the bickering, the chemistry, the dynamic?" And when they didn't really see it, it was saw as a disappointment.

 

[fireproof78]

But then I realized it was saying it already occurred, you're already seeing it.

I would say yes and no. On the one hand, yes we have references to other adventures the crew has had. And Beyond certainly has that fatigue of the crew due to the long term nature of their mission. However, I don't think that means the crew have all become that unit.

But, that's just my read.

Without the advantage of seeing Sulu as experienced, since he appeared to be a cadet in the first film. In the TOS he did take command a few times, but it was established that he was a senior officer with some experience.

I still don't know why there is this thinking he is a cadet. He was never seen a cadet uniform, his relative inexperience can be chalked up to the fact that the ship is brand new and he handles the ship with the cadence of a season pro.

Also, Kirk is a man of loyalty in these films, above all else. His trusting Sulu in ID is consistent with Kirk in that film.

I have to be honest on this one, I think some fans were specifically looking for this dynamic. Even though it's a reboot or alternate timeline, the minute you say "McCoy and Spock", some people are going to say "where's the bickering, the chemistry, the dynamic?" And when they didn't really see it, it was saw as a disappointment.

With respect to those fans (and I know many) that is on them.

 

[1987SpaceGuy]

imo after the recent revelation of the early Orci ST3 draft by the Thor/Xmen writer

Can you provide some more background/links to the Orci relevations of ST3?
I only knew it existed somewhere in a doodle/desk drawer.

 

[Khan 2.0]

Can you provide some more background/links to the Orci relevations of ST3?
I only knew it existed somewhere in a doodle/desk drawer.

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/thor-xmen-writer-talks-abit-of-what-orcis-st3-wouldve-been.303257/

 

[Khan 2.0]

More fro Peggy
https://trekmovie.com/2020/05/20/si...k-film-should-be-smaller-have-less-spectacle/

 

[Paul Weaver]

Pegg make one of the best trek films ever, because he knew that Trek is not Star Wars, and it's not Marvel, it's Trek.

 

[fireproof78]

More fro Peggy
https://trekmovie.com/2020/05/20/si...k-film-should-be-smaller-have-less-spectacle/

Great. So, do we get a movie now?

 

[Malaika]

In theory, I find there is no reason a trek movie cannot make 'marvel money' or be a hit and very successful...but if you are stuck thinking that a movie should be specifically made for old fans only then yeah, it won't be a big success. You are declaring failure without even trying. I don't see that being a great advice, tbh. Pegg, even after his own experience with beyond, seems to still not get it and he lives in the same alternate reality some old fans live into.

I think modern trek writers should be encouraged to make products that can reach a wider audience. There are no ifs or maybes here. The fact you have people who didn't like tos but they loved JJ's movies and are now watching current TV trek is a success, IMO. Isn't that, ultimately, the goal?
And let's not be disingenuos here, even if paramount&Co are realistic enough to know their movies cannot make billions they still, obvioustly, wish to have a successful franchise that can make the numbers their other movies don't make. Or they just have no reason to continue making trek movies. They wouldn't need that, if those movies were default made with the idea of getting the selective, limited attention of a niche audience only.
I always sense this subtext that trek fans are somehow more intellectual, or they appreciate and like quality writing more than the general audience and thus those who make marvel movies successful. I'm not a big fan of marvel movies but I'm not here for default overinflating trek fans that way, especially not when I read what some trek fans say online and what are their real 'issues' with modern trek.


As for Hawley, he already said he wants new characters and his movie doesn't want to be a sequel. He isn't interested about that. If rumors are true that the studio is pushing him to make a movie with this cast, I hope he walks away. If the next movie is a sequel, it should be made by someone who is truly inspired to make something with this trek. It should be someone who watched the trilogy and liked it and its cast..or it's just pointless to even try. Forcing a guy to turn his own reboot into a sequel screams disaster for me. In the end, neither side would truly get what they want. There are many directors and writers out there.

However, I still consider the possibility Hawley is considered for a spin off (that could be a tv one too) but sites are mixing things up and assuming if there is a fourth movie with this cast, it's made by him.